[Black]

Amazonia had three Great Dragons at one point, I do believe. Sirrurg was one, Hualpa was another, and I want to say Pobre was the third, though he obviously branched off into the Yucatan instead. (I don't think that the third was ever officially named, other than being a 'great feathered dragon', so, there are a few candidates. Aden (A sirrush, but close enough to confuse), Arleesh (Who woke up too late, but), and maybe the Rain Queen. Short list!)

Ghostwalker in Denver means that four or five Greats have an eye on Aztlan. Not a happy place, to be certain.

They really are justified in building anti-dragon weapons.  There is a clear and present danger, and convental methods are completely ineffective.

I wonder what CAS has done to secure its borders?  It seems Sirrug is crossing the border and hitting cities without much real resistence.  If they can't defend themselves, what chance to they have on the offense?

[Wakshaani]

That is a very good question.

[Sichr]

Sichr ... you really, really do need to proof your posts.

And as Mirikon said.  Not only that, though, but if you were in a war with one, maybe two Great Dragons (isn't one of the others helping Sirrurg out with Aztlan, or is it only an adult or two?) and you went and blew the lid off GeMiTo, don't you think that that'd basically be giving license to that dragon to come 'play' in your country as well??  And not just one who does military strikes (well, relatively military ones, anyhow), but one - a whole group!! - who's going to be treating your entire damn country as a place for out-and-out occupation-and-feeding?  Seems it might be kind of a stupid idea to me ...

If the english is in question, sory, Im doing my best. Some typos happen when I have to switch keyboard to english to be able to write special characters.

Otherwise, I fail see what my post you`ve been responding...

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

I wasn't responding to anything in your post, Sichr, mostly because it was incomprehensible babble at the time.  Sorry.

And the Sylvestrines are probably hunkering down.  For all people seem to think they're some kind of magical strike force, they aren't - they're an investigative tool, to winnow out the merely magical from the truly sacred - seeking out actual miracles, not just mojo.

[Sichr]

I wasn't responding to anything in your post, Sichr, mostly because it was incomprehensible babble at the time.  Sorry.

hm... Ive just re-readed my posts, and it seem quite "comprehensible" to me 
It seems too much is lost in translation and I dont even know where I make mistakes   

[Nath]

Well, the Azzies have their hands full with a full on war with Amazonia, trying to counter Horizon's fun and games at their expense, and the rest.

Dunno. Aztechnology used to be, you know, a megacorporation. In spite of the war in Colombia, Stuffer Shacks in Seattle and Kuala Lumpur still get reassorted. So I'm pretty confident the Aztechnology-owned medias in Turin or Barcelona can find one reporter and a working camera to pull out a reportage. Or even a single employee with a comlink and a fake "citizen-journalist" label. The top-notch teams of media control may be occupied, but in this case, there's no need to doctor anything: the simple unadorned truth is all Aztechnology needs. Aztechnology is not counting on help from the international community or anything like that, and Amazonia is not getting anything like that either. They just need people to keep on buying the Aztechnology products advertised on Aztechnology medias. As far as they're concerned, anything that distracts the attention away from the war would suit.

But really, it boils down to "What does this gain us?" You don't think Aztechnology is on a crusade against dragons, do you? They want Sirrurg and Ghostwalker dead, sure, but what profit is in it for them if they go raising a stink in someplace that is painfully close to Lofwyr's back yard? Moreover, while i'm sure they wouldn't say it in public, the fact is that if all the great dragons decided that they'd had enough of Aztechnology's bull, and decided to declare war, the Azzies would lose. See how much trouble they're having with Sirrurg, and he's just one great dragon.

No. I think the dragons should be on a crusade against Aztechnology. A crusade fought at a dragon's pace, but a crusade nonetheless. Aztlan SB exposed the Aztechnology connection to the Horrors. Corporate Guide confirmed it's still alive and kicking. Not a single dragon in the world is going to forget that Aztechnology is a tool for the Horrors and as such, a mortal enemy. So, yes, I clearly fail to see how badmouthing Alamais (not exactly the most popular dragon around...) ought to be the casus belli for dragons. Dunkelzahn would be crying to find out it finally was that easy to have the entire dragon race waging war against Aztechnology. But otherwise, the media coverage and the UN address after Sirrurg killed a thousand people in Cali was perfectly fine. Go figure.

Oh, and there's the fact that Saeder-Krupp is in control of the Corporate Court committee dealing with problems like that this year. And the Azzies aren't in a position to go flaunting the Court, not when there are nine other corps on the court who would be all too eager to take bites out of the Azzies. If a gag order has been imposed, then Aztechnology would have to stand to gain more than they would lose to risk going against it. And they just don't stand to gain that much from stirring up a panic.

So it's simply because of a gag order enforced by a world conspiracy of dragons and megacorporations. Why didn't you just start by that?

[Mirikon]

Pobre isn't a great, just an adult dragon who's gone toxic, but is hiding it well enough to get by.

[Wakshaani]

Pobre isn't a great, just an adult dragon who's gone toxic, but is hiding it well enough to get by.

Who knows?

Maybe he's secretly courting Firewings.

[Ethan]

No one gave a shit when 800,000 Rwandans were butchered. Why would anyone in SR care about a bunch of Italian, at best, squatters in what is basically Northern Somalia?

Because Dragons are eating people.

It's not the same ol' same ol' ethnic violence. Dragons are everywhere, and if they're doing that there, what about in other places?

[Mirikon]

Except they aren't doing it everywhere. They're doing it in someplace far away that no one really cared about for the last couple decades at least. And they still have to make their deadlines or they'll lose their job and rent will still be due.

[Sichr]

Except they aren't doing it everywhere. They're doing it in someplace far away that no one really cared about for the last couple decades at least. And they still have to make their deadlines or they'll lose their job and rent will still be due.

You know I do have to pay my bills and make my deadlines and I have enought time to play Shadowrun.

[Nath]

Except they aren't doing it everywhere. They're doing it in someplace far away that no one really cared about for the last couple decades at least.

That "far away" is about 250 kilometers away from more functional cities like Zurich, Marseille and Lyon.

A place a few hundred kilometers away from both touristic areas and tax havens, impoverished, left out of the world economy, that no one really cared about for the last couple decades (at least on the geopolitical stage and in the mainstream medias)? Try Cuba. This is like the Castro regime shooting half a dozen of people out in the street every day and the information not getting out. Not just in the US (obviously, the topic would be highly sensitive for political reason). But not in any other country in the world?

[Mirikon]

I'll do you one better, Nath. Take a look at the cartel violence in Mexico, literally just a couple hundred yards over the US border. In some places, its like guerilla warfare. And people here only care when the violence spills over into the US. And even then, you'd be hard pressed to find people outside of border states or politicians running for re-election that actually care enough to talk about it.

Hell, in 2074 people in Seattle don't care about what is happening in Redmond, which is literally right next door to high end neighborhoos, so long as the problems don't cross over into other districts. And since the news sources they trust say that the dragons hunting people is exaggerated, if they mention it at all, then they aren't going to care about GeMiTo.

[Nath]

But my point is that it has nothing to do with the place "far away" as you put it. First because it is not for a good chunk of that world outside the US called "Europe."

There's also a difference between people knowing and people caring. It's not because people don't care that they don't know.

I guess people in Downtown Seattle know there's gang violence in Redmond and that they shouldn't go there. I guess people in the US know there's lots of gang violence in Mexico. Not the exact deathtoll or the name of the cartels. But they have overheard something is happening, no? People in Europe do, and to them, it actually is "far away".

As a comparison, the deathtoll of the Mexican Drug War is said to be between 55,000 and 100,000 over six years. Alamais rampage in Northwest Italy is said to be 65,000 in six months, and it's not over. Sirrurg attack, that got him an Hestaby speech at the UN broadcasted live and an indiction for war crime, killed 15,000 (5,000 soldiers during the battle and 10,000 civilians with the Mass Haste Death spell).

[Sichr]

I would understand writers want this look cataclysmatic. Like war on dragons would be. I just lack ANY response...well its possibly a question of time. And dont tell me that even corporate people would sit down watching themselves eaten, paralyzed, helpless and defenseless with orbital weapons lockdown unless there is nobody left.