[Mirikon]

Um, you are aware that a Thor shot vaporizes everything in a 200m radius, and then after that damage starts at 30P, and goes down by every 100m, yes? We're not talking meth lab here. This is orders of magnitude different.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Um, you are aware that a Thor shot vaporizes everything in a 200m radius, and then after that damage starts at 30P, and goes down by every 100m, yes? We're not talking meth lab here. This is orders of magnitude different.

.... a really big meth lab, then? 

I agree, however.  Sichr, you might not be really aware of this, but India is actually one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world today.  (All those call centers, see.)  We're talking places that a) didn't get the WMI, b) whose regular Matrix services never got kept up and went to crap over the last 25 years, and c) whose telecomm services went to crap over the last 50 years.  And Nath, sure, there's a bunch of people who can say 'I've seen a dragon', but you're saying things are both ways - people are gossiping, and they're doing it even after six months.  After two months of something special, the people who are regularly exposed are going, 'yeah, so what else is new?'

To boot, you are functionally working with reporters who have 'better' things to do than report 'well, there's another gang attack in GeMiTo'.  Yes, Alamais and his boys aren't bothering to hide what they're doing - but what they're doing is something that is, for the Sixth World, almost unbelievable.  This is just one more reason (besides the many I've already described) why the news is underground.

[Nath]

Um, you are aware that a Thor shot vaporizes everything in a 200m radius, and then after that damage starts at 30P, and goes down by every 100m, yes? We're not talking meth lab here. This is orders of magnitude different.

In a place like Lagos nowadays, police has found meth lab with a production capacity of 140 to 200 kg per week. So ingredients and by-products would have been in the ton-range per week. In a truly lawless area (which Lagos obviously actually isn't, since there were policemen to find that lab) like Gemito, there would be little reason for the mafia not to scale up the operations even more. Even with a lab ten or twenty times that size, you maybe wouldn't get a crater as big as, say, Toulouse explosion in 2001 (300-400 tons of ammonium nitrate, resulting in a 70m wide crater and 3,4 on Richter scale). But that would be well in range for a Freya shot (more likely to be used for a single target). And anyway, how would people get to know mathemtical analysis can debunk the official theory, since the point has been made that Gemito is not the kind of place where investigations are carried?

[Nath]

And Nath, sure, there's a bunch of people who can say 'I've seen a dragon', but you're saying things are both ways - people are gossiping, and they're doing it even after six months.  After two months of something special, the people who are regularly exposed are going, 'yeah, so what else is new?'

I'm no longer arguing over media coverage, since there is a world conspiracy of dragons and megacorporations to enforce the gag order. I was just arguing over the fact people inside Gemito area (locals, priests, NGO, indie reporters or whatever) wouldn't be able to connect the dots because of attacks always happening in a different place. After two months of different people talking about seeing dragons and people disappearing in different places, I kinda expect Gemito population to start believing there are dragons eating people around.

[Mirikon]

Sure, the people in GeMiTo realize that dragons are eating people. But good luck getting anyone who isn't in GeMiTo to care about that.

[Kot]

If Alamais(e) is behind this, he's eating elves.

[Wakshaani]

If Alamais(e) is behind this, he's eating elves.

Elves are terrible to eat. They're so light and airy, they're like noshing on a cream pastry. Not at *all* filling. They do make a nice desert, mind you!

[Sichr]

Sichr, you might not be really aware of this, but India is actually one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world today.  (All those call centers, see.)  We're talking places that a) didn't get the WMI, b) whose regular Matrix services never got kept up and went to crap over the last 25 years, and c) whose telecomm services went to crap over the last 50 years.

Actually I was looking for the picture of telecom lines in Gaza Strip, which Ive seen before, but failed to find it, so Ive posted those pictures to ilustrate the fact that there is good old way to set up wired communication network even in the place wint no wifi coverage.I wont be under any circumstances able to believe taht in 2073 GeMiTo people just forgot how to make communication network, even with low tech devices, and that all those crime organozations are using pigeons to send messages from one part of the area to another...pigeons, wo are perhaps oftenly shot down by dragons.
Also, it would be hard to believe that Capotrenos are working with flashlights and morse code. And also, it would be hard to believe, that there are no technomancers born or emerged in GeMiTo.

[Mirikon]

Sichr, you are correct that the mob bosses probably have some means of communicating with the outside world. But they aren't exactly going to bring the world's attention into their neck of the woods, because then who knows what else might be found as people start digging. But anyone who doesn't have mob connections? They are SOL, because someone who is hungry or behind on rent probably stole the cables to sell. The only reason Chicago is a worse hellhole than GeMiTo is because of how messed up the astral is there.

Of course people in GeMiTo haven't forgotten how to communicate (well, those with some level of education haven't, at least). But knowing a method and being able to carry it out are two different things. That's like telling a homeless person with an illness that they should buy health insurance so they can see the doctor. Sure, it sounds nice, but then you have to look at the practical side of things.

Or, to steal a historical quote, "Let them eat cake."

[Sichr]

Next time you will tell me that they dont even have electricity. This aint even funny anymore...

EDIT: As for Chicago...it was those walls with automatic sentry guns set to shot and kill anything that tried to get out of CZ, what made that place such hellhole. There is no such wall in GeMiTo. In fact, Feral City is is talking about heavily guarded operating corporate bases inside that area. Hard to believe that dragons would show any exceptionnsfor those instalations...that would mean showing the weakness, fear or respect to metahumans...

Also, you possibly missed that Capotrenos reference

[Mirikon]

Except that dragons are also smart, Sichr. Even in the Earthdawn days, they didn't go around flying into heavily armed camps for a snack. Why bother, when there are plenty of other cattle near at hand, who don't have HMGs handy?

[Sichr]

That was just a test, I wanted to see which part of my post  you would pick;)
I know dragons are smart and you are still missing some other points of my posts...aka. those that are not so easily oposed

Ive gived up serious argiumentats on this topic a few posts ago, now Im just havin (bad and sad) fun

[CanRay]

Except that dragons are also smart, Sichr. Even in the Earthdawn days, they didn't go around flying into heavily armed camps for a snack. Why bother, when there are plenty of other cattle near at hand, who don't have HMGs handy?

"OK, I can figure out why we have Anti-Aircraft Cannons hidden around, but why are we disguised as cows?"  "Shut up and moo."

[Mirikon]

Well, I saw the Capotrenos reference, but since I have no clue what that's talking about, I ignored it.

And no, Chicago is still a hellhole. It wasn't the sentry guns alone that did it, but the sentry guns, lack of resources, bugs running wild, FAB III clouds eating mages and ghouls, and the toxic aftermath of the Cermak blast. Oh, and let's not forget the pollution in the river and lake, and the fact that the Shattergraves were screwing up the astral to such a degree that things were spilling over onto the physical long before the bugs took up residence.

Chicago is the punching bag of North America. The only reason it isn't the number one most hellish spot on Earth not in the middle of an active shooting war is because Africa still exists.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

That was just a test, I wanted to see which part of my post  you would pick;)
I know dragons are smart and you are still missing some other points of my posts...aka. those that are not so easily oposed

Ive gived up serious argiumentats on this topic a few posts ago, now Im just havin (bad and sad) fun

No, we're not missing anything.  Mostly, what you're saying is self-defeating, so we're mostly ignoring your ... well, apparently non-serious arguments.  So at this point?  *ignore*