[CanRay]

That's what you get for slipping the Beetle shaman a John Lennon personafix chip...

Then he becomes the Beatle Shaman who is also the Walrus!

Coo-coo-cah-choo!

[Twitchy D]

Spirit Mentor: Walrus

Benifits: +2 to combat spells, +2 to swimming checks.
Cons: Rediculous Jowls from your shamantic mask gives you a -2 to charisma checks, as you just look absolutely hilarious.

[Patrick Goodman]

Well, Tyranids, obviously ...

QFT.

[Sengir]

Unless Winternight pulled a shell game on the Corporate Court, Friday is dead, as of Artifacts Unbound. On live TV, no less.

Sure, but from a meta perspective epic baddies have a tendency to come back

2) When Crash 2.0 hit, Deus was in the middle of trying to make himself a god in the Matrix. What is there to say he didn't ascend somehow into the Realms? There are still many unanswered questions from the Crash, even a decade later.

Another unanswered question is whether Paragons are concrete "supreme examples" or something that represents essence of everything people associate with some concept (analogous to Totem Animals). In the former case it would make sense that the mixture of three battling AIs, both a Dissonance and a Resonance Pool, and unprecedented computing power created a Paragon. In the latter case, the World Tree would just be the idea that everything in the matrix is nicely organized into tree structures.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Sure, but from a meta perspective epic baddies have a tendency to come back

... or something that represents essence of everything people associate with some concept (analogous to Totem Animals). ... In the latter case, the World Tree would just be the idea that everything in the matrix is nicely organized into tree structures.

This is what is more likely.  Or rather, the first style is; in my mind at least, it's obvious that Paragons are meant to be directly analogous to Totems.

And the World Tree is the idea that information is connectable and interconnected - not that it's any particular structure, just that Info Point A can and will somehow connect to Info Point Z.

[Sengir]

in my mind at least, it's obvious that Paragons are meant to be directly analogous to Totems.

Pretty much. But it has never been explicitly stated, so in theory an author could still go ahead and say "well, this is where the analogy ends, each Paragon is an actual, singular entity"



BTW,a tidbit I just remembered: The Berlin book mentions an NPC who was a Winternight member and managed to stay under cover. He nowadays spends his time writing malware to get back at Loki. Does not sound like he causes more havoc than the average script kiddie, but it shows than some people survived the purge.
His matrix proficiency does not really fit WN's ideology (which he seems to believe in, unlike Ex Pacis), but terror groups can make strange bedfellows if it serves their needs...

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

As I said - there are several fragments still around, in several books.  No, I won't tell you where any more. 

[The Dark Warden]

in my mind at least, it's obvious that Paragons are meant to be directly analogous to Totems.

Pretty much. But it has never been explicitly stated, so in theory an author could still go ahead and say "well, this is where the analogy ends, each Paragon is an actual, singular entity"



BTW,a tidbit I just remembered: The Berlin book mentions an NPC who was a Winternight member and managed to stay under cover. He nowadays spends his time writing malware to get back at Loki. Does not sound like he causes more havoc than the average script kiddie, but it shows than some people survived the purge.
His matrix proficiency does not really fit WN's ideology (which he seems to believe in, unlike Ex Pacis), but terror groups can make strange bedfellows if it serves their needs...

Isn't there something in Unwired to the effect that nobody is really sure what the  Paragons are... whether they're some sort of Resonance AI type thing, a manifestation of the fundamental fabric of the matrix or a projection on the part of the technomancer? I may have made this up and I don't ahve the book in front of me but some memory about this is knocking but refusing to come in...

[Crimsondude]

I do enjoy these discussions. (I wrote the Friday adventure and other material in AU.)

Here's the correct link to the Winternight chapter from Threats: http://old.shadowrun4.com/resources/downloads/fanpro_winternight.pdf

If you're really interested in Winternight and Deus and all that, then it's probably worth getting the Third Edition book, System Failure.

[Twitchy D]

Cool! Thanks for the link, I thought that reading up about this stuff would be a good idea. Leftovers of those Berserker and God BTLs would make for a good maguffin for a run, either to find them to destroy them for a government, bring them to a corp for reverse engineering, or just to give them to the runners after the Johnson gets cacked before he pays them and see what they do with a small pile of insanely illegal brainwashing hardware that'll get tracked back to them if they try to get rid of them.

Appreciate the help, man!

[DarkLloyd]

PS: Does anyone know what happened to the Threats: Winternight free PDF that the main site used to have? Saw it mentioned in the Winternight entry of the Shadowrun wiki.

does anyone know what he's talking about here? is there a pdf just of winterknight?

[Patrick Goodman]

Look up two or three entries; James provides a link.

[DarkLloyd]

Thanks.
I missed that he was saying that was what the pdf was. And since i own all those books i was thinking it was a stand alone thing.

[Crimsondude]

Cool! Thanks for the link, I thought that reading up about this stuff would be a good idea. Leftovers of those Berserker and God BTLs would make for a good maguffin for a run, either to find them to destroy them for a government, bring them to a corp for reverse engineering, or just to give them to the runners after the Johnson gets cacked before he pays them and see what they do with a small pile of insanely illegal brainwashing hardware that'll get tracked back to them if they try to get rid of them.

Appreciate the help, man!

http://crimsondude.tumblr.com/post/13382267276/non-canon-bonus-artifacts-unbound-material

[Twitchy D]

Frenzy Virus/BTL.



My face after I saw that.

Something new I can inflict on players! YAY!

Rigger: GRAAAAAAAAMAIMCRUSHBURNSCREAMBLOODKILLKILLKILL!!!
Troll Tank: GUYS COULD YOU GET HIM OFF ME?! HE'S CHEWING ON MY FAVORITE HORN!!
Mage: Just pull him off and sit on him, man! Goddamn, 's always about you...
Rigger: (with a mouthful of troll horn) AAANG-NAANG-NAANG!!