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« on: <01-14-13/0635:39> »
(I'm still new to this forum so I hope I'm not posting this in the wrong sub-forum.)

So I was reading about metavariants in Runner's Companion and I saw this

"Two other micro-populations of robustus metavariants await philogenetic classification..."

So I was wonder is anyone know what metavariants that is referring to?

Bonus question: Anyone got a good suggestion for a Swedish translation for "night ones"?

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« Reply #1 on: <01-14-13/0927:38> »
http://translation.babylon.com/english/to-swedish/ gave me Natten ettor for night ones - that's the plural. Singular is apparently En natt.

It is slightly surprising that there's been no-to-little suggestion that elves are regarded as Alfar (Old English/Norse) - I suppose that would be extraneous detail from the Asatru movement/cults mentioned as active in the Scandinavian Union (SR3 Shadows of Europe).

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« Reply #2 on: <01-14-13/1109:06> »
http://translation.babylon.com/english/to-swedish/ gave me Natten ettor for night ones - that's the plural. Singular is apparently En natt.

It is slightly surprising that there's been no-to-little suggestion that elves are regarded as Alfar (Old English/Norse) - I suppose that would be extraneous detail from the Asatru movement/cults mentioned as active in the Scandinavian Union (SR3 Shadows of Europe).
Thanks for the attempt but it sounds really weird. A direct translation doesn't work otherwise I would just have gone with that. Right now I'm leaning towards Nattingar, in English would be something like Nightlings.

The Swedish word for Elf is Alv so the connection to old Nordic myths is already there for the Scandinavians.

PS I'm Swedish.

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« Reply #3 on: <01-14-13/2116:51> »
http://translation.babylon.com/english/to-swedish/ gave me Natten ettor for night ones - that's the plural. Singular is apparently En natt.

It is slightly surprising that there's been no-to-little suggestion that elves are regarded as Alfar (Old English/Norse) - I suppose that would be extraneous detail from the Asatru movement/cults mentioned as active in the Scandinavian Union (SR3 Shadows of Europe).
Thanks for the attempt but it sounds really weird. A direct translation doesn't work otherwise I would just have gone with that. Right now I'm leaning towards Nattingar, in English would be something like Nightlings.

The Swedish word for Elf is Alv so the connection to old Nordic myths is already there for the Scandinavians.

PS I'm Swedish.

Proper translation is less about the specific words and more about conveying meaning - as long as that's not much of a diminutive term (in English, that -ling suffix makes it seem to refer to something that is less than something else, whereas "Night One" seems to refer to a being being "of the night"), it would probably be a good reinterpretation.

As for the other two types, imagine we'll see something on them later.
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« Reply #4 on: <01-15-13/0345:28> »
http://translation.babylon.com/english/to-swedish/ gave me Natten ettor for night ones - that's the plural. Singular is apparently En natt.

It is slightly surprising that there's been no-to-little suggestion that elves are regarded as Alfar (Old English/Norse) - I suppose that would be extraneous detail from the Asatru movement/cults mentioned as active in the Scandinavian Union (SR3 Shadows of Europe).
Thanks for the attempt but it sounds really weird. A direct translation doesn't work otherwise I would just have gone with that. Right now I'm leaning towards Nattingar, in English would be something like Nightlings.

The Swedish word for Elf is Alv so the connection to old Nordic myths is already there for the Scandinavians.

PS I'm Swedish.

Oh well.  If there are better 'Net translation sites I didn't find them.

Nightlings/Nattingar sounds good to me.

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« Reply #5 on: <01-15-13/1313:52> »
I believe it's been suggested that the Scand countries generally use the Norse/Alfar terminology for elves and dwarves.  Svartalfar would, actually, probably be in use for the dwarves already, so ... probably not available for Night Ones.

Maybe we'll all just break down and call 'em 'Nightcrawler' the way we're meant to.  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: <01-15-13/1314:58> »
I call them Drow.
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« Reply #7 on: <01-15-13/1404:48> »
I believe it's been suggested that the Scand countries generally use the Norse/Alfar terminology for elves and dwarves.  Svartalfar would, actually, probably be in use for the dwarves already, so ... probably not available for Night Ones.

Maybe we'll all just break down and call 'em 'Nightcrawler' the way we're meant to.  ;)
I really don't see a reason for Scandinavians not to call Dwarfs dvärgar/dwarves/dvergene/kääpiöt. Calling someone a Svartalfar might be taken the wrong way. The text about Night ones mention that calling em Dark/Night Elves is consider rude, so I don't think that calling all dwarfs that make any sense.

As for the other two types, imagine we'll see something on them later.

Do people have any ideas what these metavariants might be or where they are from? IIRC The only area that has two metavariens of the same metatype is Greece with Cyclops and Minotaurs metavariants of trolls. So just because there already is a orc metavariants in a area doesn't eliminate the possibility for there being more from the same place. That said all orc metavariant hail from the Eurasian continent (If you wanna include Japan in that continent) and isn't that a bit boring? Orc metavariants seem to vary a lot, just compare Satyrs, Onis and baseline orcs. That would mean that the people coming up with new metavariants have a lot of flexibility when it come to what exactly an orc metavariant can be.

I hope I didn't ramble one too much here.

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« Reply #8 on: <01-15-13/1437:10> »
I believe it's been suggested that the Scand countries generally use the Norse/Alfar terminology for elves and dwarves.  Svartalfar would, actually, probably be in use for the dwarves already, so ... probably not available for Night Ones.

Maybe we'll all just break down and call 'em 'Nightcrawler' the way we're meant to.  ;)
I really don't see a reason for Scandinavians not to call Dwarfs dvärgar/dwarves/dvergene/kääpiöt. Calling someone a Svartalfar might be taken the wrong way. The text about Night ones mention that calling em Dark/Night Elves is consider rude, so I don't think that calling all dwarfs that make any sense.

The text doesn't really mention why calling them dark elves is considered rude; metagaming, I'd presume that's due to the whole AD&D thing.

As for the dwarven thing, I don't know - it all depends on how the original appearance of elves and dwarves was viewed by the Scandinavian countries.  Do the words you use have specific connotations or conditions to which they refer?

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« Reply #9 on: <01-15-13/1524:32> »
The text doesn't really mention why calling them dark elves is considered rude; metagaming, I'd presume that's due to the whole AD&D thing.

As for the dwarven thing, I don't know - it all depends on how the original appearance of elves and dwarves was viewed by the Scandinavian countries.  Do the words you use have specific connotations or conditions to which they refer?
Dvärg is just the Swedish word for dwarf in both the short human meaning and fantasy race meaning of the word.  Dwarves/dvergene/kääpiöt  is Danish/Nowreving/Finnish Google translation of dvärg. (I'm guessing here a bit but I assume that the meaning is about the same.) The Scandinavian Union isn't just Sweden so I included the other Nordic languages for the sake of inclusiveness.

As far as I know a majority of Scandinavias  don't worship the Nordic gods "now" (2072) and certainly not back during the Awakening. So I have to say that everyone interpreting the Awakening through a "Agrarian"-framework seems unlikely. Referring to someone by their skin-color is considers rude in Sweden at least, so calling a whole group of people Dark Elves would be very un-politically correct. Some Ásatrú people might call Dwarf  Svartalfar but it not something I see your average Svenne Banan doing.

 

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