Shadowrun
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I didn't see a thread for this one. I'm stoked about both this and Land of Promise that are coming down the pipes.
Is WotS going to be much like Way of the Adept? I've been pondering what will be in it. I am hoping it's more quality and some 'style' base stuff rather than just a pure 'Ware book.
Or some clubs, groups, geared off time activities. Or even touching on things like does doing bench presses really help those with cyber limbs? How does one work on their meat body when so much is handled by machines?
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I haven't seen it yet, but from what I've heard, it's got a lot of great stuff in it. A little like Way of the Adept, but focusing on Street Samurai and their special needs (cyberware suites, etc.).
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Yes, it's safe to assume that Qualities will weigh in pretty heavily. Other than that, I'm stayin' quiet! There's more stuff in this one than was in WotA, and I'm psyched for it to wrap up so folks can see it and have a good time.
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More qualities? Wow! Also be great to see cyberware and skillsoft suites using current prices. Or things that are a bit different, a bit unique-- glider-functional cyberwings for example...
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glider-functional cyberwings for example...
That better be a "Silverhawks" reference, because if it's a reference to that abomination for the X-Box 360...
Mental note: Visit Harebrained Schemes and pelt the Shadowrun 360 guy like he was in the Kickstarter vid. ;D
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glider-functional cyberwings for example...
That better be a "Silverhawks" reference, because if it's a reference to that abomination for the X-Box 360...
Mental note: Visit Harebrained Schemes and pelt the Shadowrun 360 guy like he was in the Kickstarter vid. ;D
Silverhawks? Perhaps in my subconscious. Mostly going with rule-of-cool. I've not played the Xbox game, for which I hear I should be glad.
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glider-functional cyberwings for example...
That better be a "Silverhawks" reference, because if it's a reference to that abomination for the X-Box 360...
Mental note: Visit Harebrained Schemes and pelt the Shadowrun 360 guy like he was in the Kickstarter vid. ;D
Of course, it could be a reference to this thread (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=5682.0).
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glider-functional cyberwings for example...
That better be a "Silverhawks" reference, because if it's a reference to that abomination for the X-Box 360...
Mental note: Visit Harebrained Schemes and pelt the Shadowrun 360 guy like he was in the Kickstarter vid. ;D
Of course, it could be a reference to this thread (http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=5682.0).
Hadn't seen the thread, but the device looks quite useful.
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What's the likely time for this to be released?
This month, next month, before the end of the year, early next year etc...
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What's the likely time for this to be released?
This month, next month, before the end of the year, early next year etc...
I can't give details without some NDA issues, so all I can say is "trust me, we're working on it." There's editing and layout and junk, that always takes kind of a while.
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What's the likely time for this to be released?
This month, next month, before the end of the year, early next year etc...
I can't give details without some NDA issues, so all I can say is "trust me, we're working on it." There's editing and layout and junk, that always takes kind of a while.
Well if you have allready written it, then that atleast probably makes the third option more likely then the fourth.
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No matter how I know differently my brain keeps filing this under L5R.
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You say that like it's a BAD thing. :)
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Not inherently no, just jarring.
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I can see where your brain would do that. Luckily, Thursday nights our group has an L5R game going right now, so I can stave that off because of that. :P
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Yes, it's safe to assume that Qualities will weigh in pretty heavily. Other than that, I'm stayin' quiet! There's more stuff in this one than was in WotA, and I'm psyched for it to wrap up so folks can see it and have a good time.
That...is cool! I am looking forward to it...
I hope we are also going to get a Way of the Rigger down the line, too!
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Rigger's Black Book 4 would not be a good idea.
Let's stick to those Runner's Black Books, they seem to be doing well. ;D
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Rigger's Black Book 4 would not be a good idea.
Let's stick to those Runner's Black Books, they seem to be doing well. ;D
We have Way of the Adept, will be getting Way of the Samurai,
I am hoping for: Way of the Mystic(for Mystic Adepts, as Way of the Adept was more about normal Adepts),
Way of the Magician(for full Magicians), Way of the Technomancer, Way of the Hacker, Way of the Rigger,
maybe they could do a Way of the Shaman, as well. But, every major Archetype should get a "Way of the"
e-book...
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Rigger's Black Book 4 would not be a good idea.
Let's stick to those Runner's Black Books, they seem to be doing well. ;D
We have Way of the Adept, will be getting Way of the Samurai,
I am hoping for: Way of the Mystic(for Mystic Adepts, as Way of the Adept was more about normal Adepts),
Way of the Magician(for full Magicians), Way of the Technomancer, Way of the Hacker, Way of the Rigger,
maybe they could do a Way of the Shaman, as well. But, every major Archetype should get a "Way of the"
e-book...
A Way of the Shaman which focused on Spirit orientated mages would be good. That said, Street Magic was pretty good at covering this already. But there is always room for more!
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Rigger's Black Book 4 would not be a good idea.
Let's stick to those Runner's Black Books, they seem to be doing well. ;D
We have Way of the Adept, will be getting Way of the Samurai,
I am hoping for: Way of the Mystic(for Mystic Adepts, as Way of the Adept was more about normal Adepts),
Way of the Magician(for full Magicians), Way of the Technomancer, Way of the Hacker, Way of the Rigger,
maybe they could do a Way of the Shaman, as well. But, every major Archetype should get a "Way of the"
e-book...
Mara haven't you herd about that which frighten canray?no riger4 for him or we will have sr5
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Rigger's Black Book 4 would not be a good idea.
Let's stick to those Runner's Black Books, they seem to be doing well. ;D
We have Way of the Adept, will be getting Way of the Samurai,
I am hoping for: Way of the Mystic(for Mystic Adepts, as Way of the Adept was more about normal Adepts),
Way of the Magician(for full Magicians), Way of the Technomancer, Way of the Hacker, Way of the Rigger,
maybe they could do a Way of the Shaman, as well. But, every major Archetype should get a "Way of the"
e-book...
Mara havent you herd abuot that wich frighten canray?no riger4 for him orwe will have sr5
Yes..but it would not be Rigger 4...Rigger 4 is Arsenal and unwired. I would love some new, bleeding edge
vehicle mods, rigger specific qualities...we are getting plenty of vehicles in all the recent e-books...
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There's several drones, and a few cars, that I want to get into the game, but, vehicles and drones really, really need art, and art is expensive.
There's a ton of stuff that I want to do, but finding room to drop it in's the hard part. I blame CanRay, just because I can. :)
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I blame CanRay, just because I can. :)
Like I'm in charge of the budget. ::)
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But you're so much fun to blame things on.
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It's true, you are!
Besides, isn't Canadian money worth more than US money right now? And you sell us oil?
We're totally allowed to blame you now. It makes you one of the cool kids. :)
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Did you guys take a thwack at the Martial Arts stuff too? I hope this goes out soon, I'm making a street sam (well, "water" sam) in a month or so.
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I hope this goes out soon,
Pretty much this, in a nutshell... ;)
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
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I think examples of how a street samurai from Hong Kong differs from one from Hamburg or Moscow (in both outlook and attitude). Examples of how the runner communities in different sprawls view the Street Samurai of their own (and different) sprawls. Which is incidentally, fluff.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
As long as it's 50/50 mechanics/setting-info or 40/60 mechanics/setting-info to ensure it's a good value for the money, I'd pretty much be okay with just about anything.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
In character perspective of 'ware, guns, and such. By that, I mean something along the lines of the old Cybertechnology book which was from a single person's perspective, sprinkled with comments. The descriptions of how each cyberware felt was particularly eye opening.
Different ways to use weapons. Street Sams aren't all razorboys, and being able to burst differently or slash differently to set you apart as a combat specialist. I have no idea how to mechanically do this.
And while I'm wishlisting, essentially a Custom Way as well as defined Ways (mundane or otherwise). Discounts in Essence, or martial arts moves, or qualities. Boosts in combat, say someone has both Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting, and he's using those nifty new Praetorians (heavy pistols with bayonets). Maybe his "Gunslinger" Way offers him the ability to fire those pistols at no penalty in melee. Or something. I know that's already an Advantage in a martial art.
Some mechanism to define your outlook and be rewarded for it. Think of Mentor Spirits and Traditions.
Also, pure fluff, some bios/short stories about (in)famous Street Sams. Notables, legends.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
Actual, practical cyber-ware Suites, more martial arts and martial art maneuvres, qualities relating to guns, unarmed
combat, melee combat, more bio and cyber ware, negative qualities relating to older cyberware(say, for example, you
are 2050's era Street Sam who is running in the modern era...)
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
More cyber/bioware, more cyberware suites, bioware suites, more geneware and nanoware. Also, more martial arts and maneuvers. More qualities.
Something that makes certain implants more affordable, essence-wise. When I make a sammy, I pretty much never have any cyberlimbs or dermal plating, for instance, because after you have Wired Reflexes, Skillwires, and Cybereyes, you don't have much essence left for other things, even with biocompatability.
More skillsoft clusters.
Oh, and more melee weapons and weapon mods. There are tons of guns and gun mods, but not nearly as much for the melee types. Ideally, I'd like something where you install something in a melee weapon, allowing you to electrify it for a moment, dealing stun damage instead of lethal when you want to. Basically, your katana becomes a stun blade momentarily.
More uses of Tactical AR software.
Manatech implants.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
More qualities, maybe more cyberware and bioware, example street sams, maybe some fiction on what it's like to slowly loose essence as you replace yourself with artificial parts, hmmmmmmm.... Maybe some cyber zombie stuff, oh and info on delta cllinics etc
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
More qualities, maybe more cyberware and bioware, example street sams, maybe some fiction on what it's like to slowly loose essence as you replace yourself with artificial parts, hmmmmmmm.... Maybe some cyber zombie stuff, oh and info on delta cllinics etc
Thinking, I would like to expand on part of this. Since Delta grade has been top dog for so long, a new grade (Epsilon maybe?) is long overdue. So adding that in and making the clinics for that be the difficult to access ones so that Delta is more readily accessible would be good.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
More cyber/bioware, more cyberware suites, bioware suites, more geneware and nanoware. Also, more martial arts and maneuvers. More qualities.
Something that makes certain implants more affordable, essence-wise. When I make a sammy, I pretty much never have any cyberlimbs or dermal plating, for instance, because after you have Wired Reflexes, Skillwires, and Cybereyes, you don't have much essence left for other things, even with biocompatability.
More skillsoft clusters.
Oh, and more melee weapons and weapon mods. There are tons of guns and gun mods, but not nearly as much for the melee types. Ideally, I'd like something where you install something in a melee weapon, allowing you to electrify it for a moment, dealing stun damage instead of lethal when you want to. Basically, your katana becomes a stun blade momentarily.
More uses of Tactical AR software.
Manatech implants.
I second making cyberlimbs more useful. They're the classic means of enhancing one's body, in the genre, but I always find myself going to bioware muscle enhancements. More so if the character is already physically powerful. Perhaps some fun cyberlimb-based suites?
Also things that are just plain nifty stuff for a character to wear/use/install; not directly for enhancing their deadliness in combat, stealthiness in the shadows, etc., but that shows the character is definitely a part of the Sixth World.
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Oh, and more melee weapons and weapon mods. There are tons of guns and gun mods, but not nearly as much for the melee types. Ideally, I'd like something where you install something in a melee weapon, allowing you to electrify it for a moment, dealing stun damage instead of lethal when you want to. Basically, your katana becomes a stun blade momentarily.
This actually does kind of stand out to me..I would love more melee weapon options, especially the more exotic ones.
For example: In Japan, no-one thinks twice about someone carrying a fan. It would be cool if they had rules for two
things that existed RL: the, basicly, iron blocks made to look like a folded fan(so well made, in fact, no-one could tell
unless they tried to open it), and the fans where the spines were made with sharpened metal blades. Of course, the
classic paddle fan made of metal with a sharpened edge would also be cool. Note: These were traditionally carried
by Samurai, so that even in places that normally barred weapons(like, say, the presence of the Emperor, or visiting
another Daimyo), they would not be un-armed.
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So, out of curiosity, what would you want to see in Way of the Samurai? Not speculating on what's inside, but what you, personally, would have wanted? I see questions about martial arts, for instance, and more Qualities. What else?
Biggest thing for me is seeing/learning about different ways a street sam can be built...the good, bad and ugly. TBH, would love ~25% rules, ~25% fluff and ~50% character builds.
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More Rules and gear than anything. Just Less fluff all together, these are small products to enhance a character. I don't need, or want, wasted space in there. I want stuff to improve characters, not the Roleplaying of characters. The roleplaying is what I do. The character building rules are what you guys do.
[/Rant] Now as for what i would like in there. I would like some additional examples of the "Code of Conduct" Quality. This is the way of the Samurai, right? It should be focused on how street sams are different than some dude with a gun. They have a personal Code of Conduct or set of Morals that guide them through their life. (This btw is the part I wouldn't mind fluff about.......)
Yes there should be some "Combat" cyber-suites in there and more martial arts would be nice. New Cyber or Bio, always a plus. New qualities. New gear, not just guns or swords but maybe some more chemtech, like new combat drugs or chemistry toys...
But it would be nice for a small section on the clinics we get our upgrades at to be in there. Like how to find them. And are any of them specialized for different stuff; like do different corps have focus' for thier clinics? (Cyber only clinics for the oldest ones maybe, Bio only clinics for the new sota, nano places Gene-vat stores, and maybe places that only do cyermancy)
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Hrm. Interesting in that, what I, personally, would have done would have been, like, 90% fluff, 10% crunch. A reminder that not everyone's tastes are the same, that's for sure. :) I'd love Samurai history, much on codes of honor and conduct, what separates Street Samurai from Mercenaries, and so on. New qualities would be there, but probably no new cybernetics or bioware, maybe a couple of new weapons, and a few archetypes.
But it would have been fluff fluff fluff, as far as the (cyber)eye could see.
Hrm!
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Pre-Fab Street Samurai, like in the old Street Samurai Catalog. ;D
An interesting one would be the Centaur Street Sami! ;D
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Hrm. Interesting in that, what I, personally, would have done would have been, like, 90% fluff, 10% crunch. A reminder that not everyone's tastes are the same, that's for sure. :) I'd love Samurai history, much on codes of honor and conduct, what separates Street Samurai from Mercenaries, and so on. New qualities would be there, but probably no new cybernetics or bioware, maybe a couple of new weapons, and a few archetypes.
But it would have been fluff fluff fluff, as far as the (cyber)eye could see.
Hrm!
Only 10% game mechanic info is what you would have done? Oh dear Lord, what a waste of money of a product that would be created by that, IMO.
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Something closer to 50/50 or so crunch vs fluff - I'm thinking of a product that could be the spiritual successor to the Solo Of Fortune stuff R Talsorian put out for Cyberpunk. Lots of flavor with the numbers to enable its use in game.
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Only 10% game mechanic info is what you would have done? Oh dear Lord, what a waste of money of a product that would be created by that, IMO.
See, some of my fave books were the ones that were 100% fluff. Crunch isn't a big deal for me, personally, unless it helps shape things. For me, a book that opened my eyes to new ways of looking at things, new angles for characters, new roleplaying opportunities ... *way* more valuable than a new light pistol or the like.
Different strokes and all that. :)
Heck, 10% is probably on the fat side of my personal headspace. Egads!
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Forgot to mention this: full color art/layout and more art in general. Art is a huge draw for me (appreciate that this is something people have widely varying opinions on) and I simply want to see more of it (understanding that this would increase price).
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Fluff is more a draw for me most times. More rules are hardly something I need in my games. That said, more types of cyberware would be cool
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Only 10% game mechanic info is what you would have done? Oh dear Lord, what a waste of money of a product that would be created by that, IMO.
See, some of my fave books were the ones that were 100% fluff. Crunch isn't a big deal for me, personally, unless it helps shape things. For me, a book that opened my eyes to new ways of looking at things, new angles for characters, new roleplaying opportunities ... *way* more valuable than a new light pistol or the like.
Different strokes and all that. :)
Heck, 10% is probably on the fat side of my personal headspace. Egads!
Definitely "different strokes". Me, I feel gypped/ripped off if at least 40% of a book isn't new goodies for making characters.
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A lot of solid options have been said. What I'm hoping for with this Way is something defining for the Mundane cyber character. Whether that is qualities, social groups, or something else. Just as long as it pushes some clearer distinctions between a Mundane with the 'normal' cyber/bioware augments and a Physical adept who gets the 'normal' cheater cyber/bioware stuff to supplement their adept powers.
How implants are precieved and treated in the world, why some are forbidden (Looking at YOU bone lacing) and how they fit into the world. I share Wakshaani leaning where I love the Fluff. The crunch I'm looking for is fairly minimal.
More Suites would be cool as I take those as a sense of Fluff as the suites are shaped by their roles.
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The annoying thing about bone lacing is that bone augmentation, the Bioware, does the exact same thing, but is perfectly legal.
D'oh.
One of those many little bugs that crept in over time with regards to availability. I'd love to take a crack at that sometime and fix some issues. Like a silencer being illegal to own, unless it's built into a cyberlimb. Those, you can buy at the corner vending machine, and are totally legal. (Wha?!)
I'm weird. I chew over things like availability and demographics and, lately, crime rates. As written, Seattle is one of the safest places to live, like, anywhere, with virtually no crime at all. Clearly, these reports are wrong, but getting the actual number would take some jiggering.
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A lot of solid options have been said. What I'm hoping for with this Way is something defining for the Mundane cyber character. Whether that is qualities, social groups, or something else. Just as long as it pushes some clearer distinctions between a Mundane with the 'normal' cyber/bioware augments and a Physical adept who gets the 'normal' cheater cyber/bioware stuff to supplement their adept powers.
How implants are precieved and treated in the world, why some are forbidden (Looking at YOU bone lacing) and how they fit into the world. I share Wakshaani leaning where I love the Fluff. The crunch I'm looking for is fairly minimal.
More Suites would be cool as I take those as a sense of Fluff as the suites are shaped by their roles.
You're...closer to the mark than some of the "90% crunch, 10% fluff" guys. I won't give specifics and say exactly what you're guessing/hoping/expecting that's right on the money, but...congrats! You're officially the the poster that sounds like he might be the happiest to see the final product. ;)
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A lot of solid options have been said. What I'm hoping for with this Way is something defining for the Mundane cyber character. Whether that is qualities, social groups, or something else. Just as long as it pushes some clearer distinctions between a Mundane with the 'normal' cyber/bioware augments and a Physical adept who gets the 'normal' cheater cyber/bioware stuff to supplement their adept powers.
How implants are precieved and treated in the world, why some are forbidden (Looking at YOU bone lacing) and how they fit into the world. I share Wakshaani leaning where I love the Fluff. The crunch I'm looking for is fairly minimal.
More Suites would be cool as I take those as a sense of Fluff as the suites are shaped by their roles.
You're...closer to the mark than some of the "90% crunch, 10% fluff" guys. I won't give specifics and say exactly what you're guessing/hoping/expecting that's right on the money, but...congrats! You're officially the the poster that sounds like he might be the happiest to see the final product. ;)
Who said 90/10? I know I didn't, nor did I see anyone really who went that far. I said that I feel 50/50 or 60/40 is my preferred, but then I feel that there should be less of what people call 'fluff' because that's the area that GMs should be making for their own games whereas the mechanic info is what should be the constants, IMO.
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Who said 90/10? I know I didn't, nor did I see anyone really who went that far. I said that I feel 50/50 or 60/40 is my preferred, but then I feel that there should be less of what people call 'fluff' because that's the area that GMs should be making for their own games whereas the mechanic info is what should be the constants, IMO.
No one (I know). I was just kinda makin' a joke and poking fun at my buddy Wak for picking such extreme numbers. ;D
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Who said 90/10? I know I didn't, nor did I see anyone really who went that far. I said that I feel 50/50 or 60/40 is my preferred, but then I feel that there should be less of what people call 'fluff' because that's the area that GMs should be making for their own games whereas the mechanic info is what should be the constants, IMO.
No one (I know). I was just kinda makin' a joke and poking fun at my buddy Wak for picking such extreme numbers. ;D
Critias is picking on me. Tis fair! He's awesome, and a way better writer than I am. *shakes fist*
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Critias is picking on me. Tis fair! He's awesome, and a way better writer than I am. *shakes fist*
By that criteria, does that mean we can all pick on you? ;D
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Critias is picking on me. Tis fair! He's awesome, and a way better writer than I am. *shakes fist*
By that criteria, does that mean we can all pick on you? ;D
Sadly yes.
Dangit.
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Critias is picking on me. Tis fair! He's awesome, and a way better writer than I am. *shakes fist*
By that criteria, does that mean we can all pick on you? ;D
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Whooooaaahhhh.... fighting words CanRay. It twoud be cruel and many a hurt feeling would result from a fair judging of your boast...
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Here's to hoping melee characters get some more oomph.
While I agree with the "guns are simply more powerful than blades" argument, I'd like to believe that "sharp things wielded by heavily augmented and skilled streetsams are simply more powerful than 'blades'" could be true, too.
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Here's to hoping melee characters get some more oomph.
While I agree with the "guns are simply more powerful than blades" argument, I'd like to believe that "sharp things wielded by heavily augmented and skilled streetsams are simply more powerful than 'blades'" could be true, too.
It *SHOULD* be true. I mean, I remember when a troll street sam wielding a dikoted combat Axe was FAR scarier a thought
then a Troll wieldinding a Panther Assault Cannon...and only a little less scary then a troll wielding a vindicator mini-gun
firing APDS rounds...(considering the axe and panther outright killed 1 target per hit, usually, while the miniguns would
kill 2-3 per firing)
Of course, I also very much miss when you moved your speed per action phase, and so someone who got multiple actions was
able to run faster then anyone who only got 1 action...
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You're...closer to the mark than some of the "90% crunch, 10% fluff" guys. I won't give specifics and say exactly what you're guessing/hoping/expecting that's right on the money, but...congrats! You're officially the the poster that sounds like he might be the happiest to see the final product. ;)
Woot! Now I'm doubly excited, though I was already on 'buy the instant it is released' level of excited. Still, this made my 'drug into work at 4am morning' ;D
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Critias is picking on me. Tis fair! He's awesome, and a way better writer than I am. *shakes fist*
Nah, that's not it. I just like havin' fun with the other freelancers that share my southern drawl (and also, somehow, my appreciation for all things SR-Elven). You know what we need to do? We need to combine the two great tastes that taste great together. We need to create some deep-CAS elf country or something. Backwoods Tir-types hiding out in the Appalachians.
*cue banjos*
"Hur, hur. Squeal like a piggy! You've got a real purty...I say, you've really got rather an abhorrent mouth! Full of tusks and yellow teeth, all crooked and uninviting. Ugh, and your breath! Terrible. Frankly terrible! Off you go, then. Good day to you, sir. I say good day!"
*does with Laes, kick tourist back into the river, leave in a huff*
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We need to create some deep-CAS elf country or something.
I have an Elven Wheelman from Texas. ;D
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
To Vegas, of course.
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
First Church of Elvis?
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
First Church of Elvis?
I have so much hatred for that thing.
But, it's official, so I'm stuck with it.
Grf.
As for Southern Elves? I actually know where they cluster, Crit. old bean. You might be surprised. Or not. Not sure! Remind me to drop an Email on you later. :)
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
First Church of Elvis?
I have so much hatred for that thing.
But, it's official, so I'm stuck with it.
Grf.
In a Scion game, I had the players, once, fight an evil Scion of Apollo Elvis Impersonator....
But, honestly, it kind of makes sense that you would have something that odd-ball in Shadowrun. I mean, face it:
we really just have not seen the little quirky things like that show up in years. It is a good thing to have throwbacks
like that just to remind us, sometimes, of where the game came from.
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
First Church of Elvis?
Three-Thousand Miles From Graceland?
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The game I'm currently running, I almost made an elf Elvis impersonator, but had no idea where to go with it.
First Church of Elvis?
Three-Thousand Miles From Graceland?
Awesome movie...but, no..that was not the inspiration for the Evil Elvis(it was the inspiration for what was going on
in Vegas when the group was there, though). When the players figured out what was going on, one of the players
commented "What? Are we going to have to fight some sort of evil Elvis next?"
Remember: NEVER say anything that would give your GM ideas.....especially when your GM has been TRYING to kill the
party!
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Have you all by any chance seen Street Legends: Home Edition? Because I do recall a rather ineresting ork featured. Hail to the King, Baby.
Thanka, thanka vuurry much.
8)
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Remember: NEVER say anything that would give your GM ideas.....especially when your GM has been TRYING to kill the
party!
I never remember that rule, and get a lot of dirty looks from my group.
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Got a lot of dirty looks. :'(
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I recently joked about getting the other characters drunk and installing area cortex bombs in them while they were out.
Not sure I'm going to enjoy the next time my character is in a bar.
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I constantly give GMs wonderful, horrible ideas. I blame my job. Sitting around at a gas station all night gives one a lot of time to think about "interesting" situations.
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I constantly give GMs wonderful, horrible ideas. I blame my job. Sitting around at a gas station all night gives one a lot of time to think about "interesting" situations.
Could be worse, you could have my "Job".
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Oh hi.
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No idea where the conversation is plunging, but back on topic: I wouldn't mind some cyberlimb/suite information (especially numbers, Augment did a fairly good job of putting fluff down for everything except Augment clinics).
I'd like to see some reworking/expansion of martial arts especially - I find the assemblage in Arsenal to be awkward and rather arbitrarily designated in several areas, like the fact that a jack-of-all-trades (which is an archetype that shows up now and again in cyberpunk and anime) isn't really an option, nor is the Karate master who honed almost his whole life into mastery of warding off every melee attack coming at him (which is an archetype bigger in anime but still something that I think would fit in the Shadowrun-verse).
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Want...
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Any news on this?
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*whistles innocently*
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Is this dead now that 5th is on the way?
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Is this dead now that 5th is on the way?
Nnnnnope. Just stuck in a mini-limbo over the holidays and announcements and junk.
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Very happy to hear that. ;D
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
*Heaves with the crowbar at the stuck door* You know, if someone with TWO good arms would HELP me...
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
*Heaves with the crowbar at the stuck door* You know, if someone with TWO good arms would HELP me...
*stands on the other side of the door welding it* :P
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
*Heaves with the crowbar at the stuck door* You know, if someone with TWO good arms would HELP me...
See, there's your problem - never use a crowbar when an RPG will do...
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
*Heaves with the crowbar at the stuck door* You know, if someone with TWO good arms would HELP me...
*stands on the other side of the door welding it* :P
*(ChromeMonger) Slaps All4 aside, redlines his cyberarms and wrenches that door open.*
There! Any time now guys.
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We're trying to get it out the door, trust me.
*Heaves with the crowbar at the stuck door* You know, if someone with TWO good arms would HELP me...
*stands on the other side of the door welding it* :P
*(ChromeMonger) Slaps All4 aside, redlines his cyberarms and wrenches that door open.*
There! Any time now guys.
*tases the chromejob and then welds it into the doorway*
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*uses manipulation spell to put All4 inside the door, literally* Now, now. We want as much new product as we can get before the new edition shows up.
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I always wondered how doors got the sign for push when they were pull doors.
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Wahoo! Available now.
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Already fell out of my chair laughing. ;D
You folks can find it here (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/110018/Shadowrun%3A-The-Way-of-the-Samurai).
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I bought this the moment I found out about the release. There is a good bit of flavor and stories but I didn't read them yet as I was too excited to see the gear :) There is a lot of cyberware suites, some new ware that is pretty cool, the new qualities are very interesting and I find them to be quite exciting. I think this book is a must have for anyone that loves street samurais. Even if you don't, there are cyberware suites for many kinds of characters. You should definitely buy this imo.
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I want to know why Tasslehoff Burrfoot is on the cover of this??
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I want to know why Tasslehoff Burrfoot is on the cover of this??
[silly accent]
It's kender classified
[/silly accent]
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Any chance someone with an iPad 4 has picked this up? Curious to see how/if CGL addressed the color issues that plague most of their PDF releases.
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Why are his gun and hand considered a threat, but not the three foot razor blade in his lap?
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Why are his gun and hand considered a threat, but not the three foot razor blade in his lap?
We actually had that discussion, Novocrane. I don't remember the exact decision-making process, but it came down to artistic reasons. It was felt that another threat marker would clutter up the image. But we did ask about it.
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And our in-universe excuse is that the threat analysis software highlighted the high-tech problems, while (conveniently, in order to leave us room for the logo and stuff instead of totally filling up the cover) the low-tech sword with no moving parts got ignored. I figure there's probably a toggle switch in weapon scanning software or something.
And Bull, you know as well as anyone does that the writer doesn't draw the covers. :P
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Why are his gun and hand considered a threat, but not the three foot razor blade in his lap?
Simple, those are weapons, the "three foot razor" is a hygiene tool. ;D
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I must say the intro fiction alone was worth the price. Can't remember a short story I enjoyed as much as that.
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Why are his gun and hand considered a threat, but not the three foot razor blade in his lap?
Simple, those are weapons, the "three foot razor" is a hygiene tool. ;D
"Never under estimate the power of good grooming." - Uncle Enzo.
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I must say the intro fiction alone was worth the price. Can't remember a short story I enjoyed as much as that.
Nice! Awesome to hear something like that. ;D
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I especially liked the way he ran through the various scenarios, and came up with the one way to play and still win. Good view of a seasoned runner's thought processes.
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Just a repost of mine from another thread, where a pricing issue with Boosted Reflexes was brought up.
Hrm. I'm not sure how that one slipped by us. I'm sorry for the fuck-up, period. I'll own this one.
I'd say right now the quick (and ugly) fix would be to cut the printed nuyen costs roughly half. Go with, say, 7,500, 16,000, and 24,000 or so.
Unofficially, I'd then fling a d6 and add (or subtract) a hundred bucks per pip, to reflect the way-behind-the-tech-curve-maybe-they're-good-maybe-not nature of illicit street doctoring, and call it a day. Because who knows how long the chemical cocktail's been sitting on a shelf, and how much your crazy street doc buddy needs that shelf space?
Sorry for the mistake, folks. I don't know how we all missed it, but I'm the one who wrote it so it's on me. Hopefully with chopping the prices in half, Boosted will fill the niche I meant for it to; my bad, in the meantime.
In the meantime, I really do appreciate the kind comments on the intro fic. I just sat down with half an idea to write about kind of an "all sammie group," and I think this one turned out really cool. I'm glad of what the story turned into, and it's been awesome to see other folks like it. It's always nice to not be the only one who thinks something turned out neat. ;)
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I must say the intro fiction alone was worth the price. Can't remember a short story I enjoyed as much as that.
Nice! Awesome to hear something like that. ;D
Between this and Neat you are rapidly becoming my fave SR fiction writer. Plus, you know, that Kerbey Lane thing ;)
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I must say the intro fiction alone was worth the price. Can't remember a short story I enjoyed as much as that.
Nice! Awesome to hear something like that. ;D
Between this and Neat you are rapidly becoming my fave SR fiction writer.
You'll make me blush!
Plus, you know, that Kerbey Lane thing ;)
I do what research I can. If and when I can add a small thing like that and make locals smile, I leap at the chance.
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I must say the intro fiction alone was worth the price. Can't remember a short story I enjoyed as much as that.
Nice! Awesome to hear something like that. ;D
Between this and Neat you are rapidly becoming my fave SR fiction writer.
You'll make me blush!
Now for you to so far surpass this 'Findley' guy that people forget he ever existed. :P
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Now for you to so far surpass this 'Findley' guy that people forget he ever existed. :P
Bite your tongue! Nigel's the man.
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Now for you to so far surpass this 'Findley' guy that people forget he ever existed. :P
Bite your tongue! Nigel's the man.
Maybe, but wouldn't you rather be remembered in his place? :P
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Now for you to so far surpass this 'Findley' guy that people forget he ever existed. :P
Bite your tongue! Nigel's the man.
Maybe, but wouldn't you rather be remembered in his place? :P
Not in the slightest, to be honest. I don't see what I write as taking away from anyone else (or, importantly, vice versa). Folks don't need to forget Mr. Findley and his awesome work to remember mine (inasmuch as RPG fiction is "remembered" at all); the last thing I want is for his classic work to get forgotten.
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Now for you to so far surpass this 'Findley' guy that people forget he ever existed. :P
Bite your tongue! Nigel's the man.
Maybe, but wouldn't you rather be remembered in his place? :P
Not in the slightest, to be honest. I don't see what I write as taking away from anyone else (or, importantly, vice versa). Folks don't need to forget Mr. Findley and his awesome work to remember mine (inasmuch as RPG fiction is "remembered" at all); the last thing I want is for his classic work to get forgotten.
Okay, then you misunderstood. I meant for you to write something so mind blowing good that it overshadows.
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First off, wow on the fiction. Really well written short story. I like how they wrote about the qualities as if they were video game qualities. The qualities themself are not game breaking which is great, they do allow street sam's to focus in on an aspect of specialty.
The suites are great, and it is good to see more of them. It is also cool how there are a few Bio features that are recommended for them. My one question is; do the suites allow upgrading? Can you ask for a wired reflex two or three in a certain suite?
The Boosted reflexes are great and though I question the price in my head I did not see it ground breaking. But it is nice to see that update here. Love the cyber sword, I hope in te future we could see monofilament treated blades.
Overall this was worth the wait. No game breaking upgrades, but a ton of useful qualities and cyber suites that allow some flexibility when creating a street Sam.
Thank you for the great resource. Now off to reread it and making some NPC that reflect some of the updates:)
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Any chance someone with an iPad 4 has picked this up? Curious to see how/if CGL addressed the color issues that plague most of their PDF releases.
Picked it up this weekend...some nice reading material for the plane tomorrow ;D Color issues still there, but material looks great.
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Doesn't look like the Panzer build in the back of the book is legal. Tried creating it, the body falls short by gobs.
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How is the panzer body falling short? Are you remembering that's a Troll? Doesn't take much to get a 9 unaugmented body on a Troll character.
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How is the panzer body falling short? Are you remembering that's a Troll? Doesn't take much to get a 9 unaugmented body on a Troll character.
I'm not seeing it either. Plugging the attributes into Chummer, the only reason there's 200 BP spent on attributes at all is because of the 3 Edge.
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How is the panzer body falling short? Are you remembering that's a Troll? Doesn't take much to get a 9 unaugmented body on a Troll character.
I think it's when you average out the stats with the arms that the body gets dropped. With the suite installed, a Body 9 troll drops to augmentation (8).
I suppose it could be an odd Chummer glitch, but my gut tells me it's not. (That said, my gut also tells me to drink lots of beer, so it's not always right.)
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Frankie, thanks for the feedback (as always). Good to hear you enjoyed my fic! Per the rules in Arsenal, it's my understanding that suites aren't supposed to be customized like that. That said, you could always talk to your GM and design a suite with Wired II rather than Wired I, and if the GM is on board with the fluff, you get your crunch. I don't think it's the end if the world, personally, to give a hungry character a hook-up, but I didn't write Arsenal. ;)
And the dwarf and troll were the handiwork of my partner in crime, Neurosis (as were all the swanky new suites, so thank him for those!) I was pretty busy with my side of stuff, and I'm sorry if we let one slip by us. I'm not sure how often he's on the forums to field questions, though.
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That's dissapointing =/
Thank's for the answer at least, Critias.
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Yeah, the Suites are not designed to be optimized for use by your average Street Samurai. The reason that they get Nuyen and Essence discounts is because it's a bundle of 'ware taht's been designed to work together, and then has been mass produced.
Anything put together via customization that is not mass produced like this is effectively going to resemble a bundle of Cyberware that is one grade higher than normal, both in essence discount and in cost. So say you take Standard Grade Wired Refelxes II, Dermal Plating II, and a Smartlink. They're standard grade for all normal purposes, but they would have an essence discount equiv to, say, Alphaware. But, because it's a complete custom job, the nuyen price will resemble ALphawares price markup as well.
So at the end of the end of the day, it's easier to just buy what you want in Alpha and move along.
(This is my understanding, at least. Suites are really things that were created for NPC use, to make things easier for GMs. They're not geared toward players as much, and it's why there's often one or two peices of non-optimal or under-leveled gear in there).
Bull
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I apologize, it looks like I wasn't clear.
I don't have a problem with the package suite. I think it's pretty neat.
My issue is that when you actually go to build the archetype in the back of the book, (Is there still a back of a pdf?) the math doesn't work out. The average body is going to be at 8, assumedly because the build doesn't include a cybertorso with enhancements as well.. The statblock lists the body at 9, with an augmentation value of 12.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I thought archetype meant it was a valid player option, like the archetypes listed in the core book. Is this incorrect? If not, is there something missing from the description of the character to get him the augmented body of 12? Or is the character listing just in error?
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FWIW, I understood your question (we just also have two conversations going at once and I think we crossed the streams for a sec). I don't have an answer for you though, partially because it wasn't "my" part of the book (so I don't have it more-or-less memorized, with an answer right off the top of my head), and partially because I'm on my iPhone at work, with these posts, so I can't really look anything up for confirmation/clarity/whatever.
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Just finished reading...... Gets 2 thumbs up from me :D
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Cool, glad you dug it!
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Here's to hoping melee characters get some more oomph.
While I agree with the "guns are simply more powerful than blades" argument, I'd like to believe that "sharp things wielded by heavily augmented and skilled streetsams are simply more powerful than 'blades'" could be true, too.
You're really gonna dig (parts of) SR5. : )
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Here's to hoping melee characters get some more oomph.
While I agree with the "guns are simply more powerful than blades" argument, I'd like to believe that "sharp things wielded by heavily augmented and skilled streetsams are simply more powerful than 'blades'" could be true, too.
You're really gonna dig (parts of) SR5. : )
Badass.
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Sweet!
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Here's to hoping melee characters get some more oomph.
While I agree with the "guns are simply more powerful than blades" argument, I'd like to believe that "sharp things wielded by heavily augmented and skilled streetsams are simply more powerful than 'blades'" could be true, too.
You're really gonna dig (parts of) SR5. : )
Very much looking forward to it!
.... though I have to admit I 'm not entirely certain I'll switch to SR5 immediately.
I've been pretty much dissapointed in most of the "new & improved" games that came out the past couple of years, always prefering the old version instead.
Add to that the simple fact that there's so many extra sources of material for SR4, allowing much more customization (AR, SM, AU, UW, etc. etc.) I'm guessing it'll take a long while for SR5 to reach the same level of complexity.
And, of course, there's the money issue.
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You know, Xzylvador, I can see the point on the initial reduction in complexity. I kind of felt the same way about SR4 from
SR3, actually...hated having to wait for all the core books to come out to be able to do the same sorts of things I used to
be able to do.
However, really, it is good with a new edition to start simple. Learn the basics, first. Then, incorporate the new stuff as it
comes out. Judging a new edition by its initial complexity is kind of like judging someone who can only dog paddle for losing
to Michael Phelps in a swimming race. Every edition has its learning curve, so...the staggered releases should help with that.
Also, I do not think this time they are going to have the delays from last time on getting things out.
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Wired Reflexes cranked to the max, Dermal plating in place, form fitting full body suit slipped on, riot armour donned, just have find that vibro sword to bring to the gun fight :D
I like the idea of more cq combat occurring.... Guns are still good but in close allows for fun things like human shields, and tactics to actually get somewhere other than just putting a lot of bullets out
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Indeed. Plus, theres a wonderful level of badassery that goes along with bringing a sword to a gunfight, and being the one to walk away at the end.
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Is always mobile at the end of a fight, maybe using my teeth to drag myself away but that's still moving
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Is always mobile at the end of a fight, maybe using my teeth to drag myself away but that's still moving
Hey, any fight you can walk away from...errr, move away from...
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Hey Critias
Anymore novelas in the pipeline throughly enjoy reading neat ?????
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I'm glad you liked it!
Unfortunately, NDAs keep me from giving any details on that front. But on a more general fiction topic, I can point folks to today's Shadowrun Returns Anthology announcement, and my name being on the authors list! To say that I'm "psyched" about writing alongside guys like Dowd, Weisman, and Stackpole would be a terrific understatement (especially since my own piece is on one of Stackpole's old fiction characters, who debuted in the intro fic to one of my favorite adventures ever).
So mum's the word and I can neither confirm nor deny upcoming standalone fiction, but since the announcement was made, I can sing and dance about being in the anthology all I wanna. ;)
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Was very happy to see that...really looking forward to the anthology - one of the best rewards of the Kickstarter, IMHO.
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Likes novels hates NDA's got a rather belated birthday present this morning.... Spells and chrome anthology time to read me thinks
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And the dwarf and troll were the handiwork of my partner in crime, Neurosis (as were all the swanky new suites, so thank him for those!) I was pretty busy with my side of stuff, and I'm sorry if we let one slip by us. I'm not sure how often he's on the forums to field questions, though.
It's been a bit over a month, Any update status on this? Can I at least get an answer on which part of the equation is broken? (The sheet itself or a rule being in error?)
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It's not directly WotSammie related, but I had to post SOMEwhere about it -- Way of the Adept hit Platinum on drivethrurpg. Shadowrun fans are the best fans. 62 products hit Platinum over there. .22% of their books. You guys rock.
It's been a bit over a month, Any update status on this? Can I at least get an answer on which part of the equation is broken? (The sheet itself or a rule being in error?)
Sorry, missed this 'till now. I guess Neurosis hasn't caught up on the thread or stopped by either (he's tackling bigger chunks o' SR5 than me ;) ). My own gut-check level of answer is certainly "the rule is right, the archetype has an error." Written rules trump archetypes every time, in my book. Hope that helps!
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Crumbs. Thanks just the same Critias.
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Definitely a quality product. I have to say I'm looking forward to more writing of yours. I have been pushing Neat on everyone I can get to read it.
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And the dwarf and troll were the handiwork of my partner in crime, Neurosis (as were all the swanky new suites, so thank him for those!) I was pretty busy with my side of stuff, and I'm sorry if we let one slip by us. I'm not sure how often he's on the forums to field questions, though.
It's been a bit over a month, Any update status on this? Can I at least get an answer on which part of the equation is broken? (The sheet itself or a rule being in error?)
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Sorry, I just got here. Can you point me to the specific error (er...again, if applicable)? I promise I won't be gone several months before getting back to you. Sorry for the delay.
(In general, it can be hard to tell where errors creep in to my work, as after the first/final draft I turn in, the editing is largely out of my hands, and I rarely get to make a second coherent pass on the document. Nature of the business, I gather. I will do my best.)
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And the dwarf and troll were the handiwork of my partner in crime, Neurosis (as were all the swanky new suites, so thank him for those!) I was pretty busy with my side of stuff, and I'm sorry if we let one slip by us. I'm not sure how often he's on the forums to field questions, though.
It's been a bit over a month, Any update status on this? Can I at least get an answer on which part of the equation is broken? (The sheet itself or a rule being in error?)
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Sorry, I just got here. Can you point me to the specific error (er...again, if applicable)? I promise I won't be gone several months before getting back to you. Sorry for the delay.
(In general, it can be hard to tell where errors creep in to my work, as after the first/final draft I turn in, the editing is largely out of my hands, and I rarely get to make a second coherent pass on the document. Nature of the business, I gather. I will do my best.)
Bravo for putting it mildly. ;)
It's something about the legality of the Panzer-Troll archetype. I think the Body average is lower than it should be for the Quality, and he was asking if the Quality was wrong or if the archetype is -- my gut answer is "ignore the archetype, go by the rule for the quality," but I haven't done the math myself or anything, so there might be some way the Panzer-Troll still fits the Panzer rules, that I was missing.
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Yes, the listed Body of the Panzer is far too high.
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Let's see, looking at my draft the Panzer's Body is 9 (12), putting the natural body one under the starting max for a troll. The parenthetical 12 equals a +3 to Damage Resistance Tests (but not the Body attribute itself) from Titanium Bone Lacing. Looking at my draft, Panzer requires a Body of 5 or higher...9 (12) is higher than 5. So I'm not sure what the problem is.
Ah, I think you mean that the Body of the cyberarms should drag down the overall body? NOW I see what you mean. Yes, you're correct, that was a gaffe on my part. I tend to forget that cyberlimbs have their own Body attributes, because well...I don't think they should. But that's another story. Yes, I see what you mean now. The adjusted Body of the Panzer should probably be 9 (8) [11] instead.
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Right. Sorry, should have been more specific but I tend to forum surf at work, away from books.
Basically, with the max customized body being 6, the average body works out to be 9 [8].