[Mirikon]

Yeah, those are both SMGs, though, instead of the assault rifle I had.

[All4BigGuns]

After looking at it, I think I know the problem. It's probably that 100 round ammo capacity. You could see if the Onotari Kali or Onotari Punisher is more acceptable.

[Aryeonos]

What's wrong with the Tactical? Considering it's construction you really couldn't slim it down much, so it's a no go on subtle, but that's pretty much ARs general. It's gotta be my favorite AR in the game though, expensive as hell though. (and it's one of like a handfull of guns in the book with a non stupid picture...)

Try the P-93, which is an SMG, but it's my go to gun for almost no recoil, and good baseline upgrades. Or the HK-227 Arctic, again, SMG but the standards on it are top notch. Then there is the Onotari Room Sweeper, not a bad gun. And most of the AKs are fine and I think are only restricted.

[All4BigGuns]

What's wrong with the Tactical? Considering it's construction you really couldn't slim it down much, so it's a no go on subtle, but that's pretty much ARs general. It's gotta be my favorite AR in the game though, expensive as hell though. (and it's one of like a handfull of guns in the book with a non stupid picture...)

Try the P-93, which is an SMG, but it's my go to gun for almost no recoil, and good baseline upgrades. Or the HK-227 Arctic, again, SMG but the standards on it are top notch. Then there is the Onotari Room Sweeper, not a bad gun. And most of the AKs are fine and I think are only restricted.

Like I said, I suspect that it's the 100(c) ammo capacity that assault rifle has.

[Aryeonos]

it's not likely to come into play, both the gun and reloading it, but I'm hoping we won't have to be too combat heavy and can just rely on conceal carry. Bring a couple gecko grip gas grenades, that'll stop up anyone following us while they try and pronounce it, then remote det the neurostun.

[Sichr]

So if I undestand it right, someone butthurts about empathy SW so everyone else is forced to "cripple" their character? I know my character is not approved yet, well I have great issue with this kind of special treatement. If the answer on the question above is yes, save your efforts, Id rather not be part of the same group with such person.

[Sichr]

I did this publicly not to limit other player etc. hidden in PMs with GM. Well, I was adressing GM, as he is the only one privileged to answer my question.
And if you read it right, he is banning that sw because one of us didnt liked it. Not because he has problem with it or we as a team do.

[Mirikon]

it's not likely to come into play, both the gun and reloading it, but I'm hoping we won't have to be too combat heavy and can just rely on conceal carry. Bring a couple gecko grip gas grenades, that'll stop up anyone following us while they try and pronounce it, then remote det the neurostun.

That is fine for some characters, but mine is more about bringing the pain. "Stealth" involves lots of chameleon coating, and suppressed weapons. Including the suppressed SA grenade launcher. "Not-stealth" involves a chameleon coated LMG. Now if we have to do concealed carry, I can do that, but my main focus is in using automatic weapons and swords.

So if I undestand it right, someone butthurts about empathy SW so everyone else is forced to "cripple" their character? I know my character is not approved yet, well I have great issue with this kind of special treatement. If the answer on the question above is yes, save your efforts, Id rather not be part of the same group with such person.

Not quite enough to bring me to quit, but I agree that kind of ruling sets a bad precedent for the game as a whole.

[Sichr]

Ah. Self-censorship.

[RHat]

I'll admit that I do have an issue, notionally, with having that sort of discussion via PM rather than with the entire group.  It seems to me the rest of us should have been allowed a voice in the matter.

That said: You could really stand to put that in different terms, Sichr - that kind of phrasing creates conflict where there would otherwise be none.

[All4BigGuns]

So if I undestand it right, someone butthurts about empathy SW so everyone else is forced to "cripple" their character? I know my character is not approved yet, well I have great issue with this kind of special treatement. If the answer on the question above is yes, save your efforts, Id rather not be part of the same group with such person.

Not quite enough to bring me to quit, but I agree that kind of ruling sets a bad precedent for the game as a whole.

Not so much. He did say he received PMs expressing concern on the matter, but as far as anyone knows, it could be everyone but the three of us that sent those PMs. Personally, I like Empathy Software for the purpose of the Street Sam getting a bit more defense against social skills (since they are used to resist themselves), and I would have liked to have been able to acquire a rating 4 version later for the character I put forth for this game to get a bit better for Con, but I'll deal with not being able to.

[mtfeeney = Baron]

He actually said "one's discomfort with it".

I've spent the last 4 hours complete rebuilding my character.  With Empathy Software removed from the equation, my 100% full-dedicated face was only 2 dice ahead of the snake mage.  I had gone to the trouble of building a max CHA/SURGE Glamour/awesome optimized commlink for Empathy Software... and then I got knocked back to good but not better than the backup face.  I've completely changed my character to an ork chaos mage.  I'll hopefully have it posted in the next few hours.

[Sichr]

I admit I'am a bit on the edge when I wake up and came to work In Missions 2 PbP they have used to say "Sichr exploded again" every time I feel some unjustice. Sorry, Im working on it. That doesnt change the fact I feel this ir wrong. And even if i provoked this, it seems that I'm not the only one.

[Mirikon]

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one." --Ancient Vulcan Proverb

[Aryeonos]

I expressed concern because I think it's a straight up munchkin item, but if you all need it to survive as characters take it, my position stands that it's like one of 2 items in all the books that provides an unnecessarily high bonus for the cost of a couple skill specialization's.

But, it appears I'm outweighed in the issue, and I'd rather start playing than have a tension in the air.