[Reaver]

@Reaver While i see your point there are plenty of more controlled ways of getting a pathogen into your victims than a simple areosal vector, poisoning drinking water, heck you could even get nasty and selectively inject certain targets.... and if magic is the trigger which while isn't stated outright (mind you i can see the implication), well it doesn't have to even be an offensive spell to trigger it, could be a simple thing like detect life or even something beneficial like heal or detox.... and seeing as you infected people selectively only the "blue crew" would be affected, perfect terror weapon.... And only the Azzies really know their future plans they could be using their allies as a smoke screen to come back with vengeance at their enemies.... Hell thinking about it that way they could target Amazonia and then steam roll them...

Hellion, we are talking about B-227 which was designed to be delivered by missile. We have no evidence that it would work any other way. Add to that fact that we don't know for sure that dragons even need to eat.... Although there is mention of alamais and others hunting people, we don't know if this was just for sport, or for hunger. as for a water vector.... how would you deliver it and make sure ONLY Ghostie drank it? How much is actually needed to be effective? Over what time from? All we know for sure about B-227 is that it's airborn (the missile). We have no idea how long the effects last, what it's dilution rate or its saturation rate is. 

[Hellion]

I wasn't thinking that Ghostwalker would be targeted directly more the people of Denver, i now realise that i didn't make that clear but could you imagine a few small pockets of people just going absolutely nuts and just trying to murder everyone near them, that would be a massive strain on a city... Night of rage without the racial motivations

I stated that i don't think Ghostie would be targeted directly, and as for what you would need to affect him your probably right it would be a ridiculous amount.... As for dilution rate it would have to be fairly hard to dilute if its being used in a sub tropical or even tropical region due to the high humidity just in the air, and as for saturation well it seemed that the Azzies believed in pink mohawk over kill saturation so there is no way of knowing.

I mean it being aimed at people, which probably even if your target is a troll can only weigh maybe 1/15th of a dragon even if hes half made of metal, so only a small portion of the aforementioned warhead would be need to my thinking. I admit im simply speculating on the possible uses or capabilities of Blue-227 with the hopes that my thoughts aren't too wild and hoping to see what other think.... I am planning to write up a little run to try and steal some of it from the Azzies so i was looking to see what others thought.

[Reaver]

I am sorry I misinterpreted what you meant.

AS for where the Azzies would be keeping it. Mexico City (I can't spell it's new/old name ) in the great Pyramid would be by guess. Right in the heart of darkness itself.

[Hellion]

I got the same problem with the spelling/pronounciaition.... I agree that would be the safest place to keep it.... I would think seeing as the Azzies now have Bogota back they might keep some warheads there too or would you think that's not a likely hood

[Reaver]

well, after the little "dragon news conference" they know Surring has gotten a "dragon time out" and is being forced to sit in the corner somewhere... which leaves only a couple great feathered serpents, a few eastern/western dragons (not greats). As the only threats from Amazonia. However, Ghostwalker is not going to be happy that they forced their way back into "his" city.

the other problem is security.. from what I read about Bogota, it's a hellhole.. so security wise it is either madness or genius to hide a few warheads there...
Madness cause the place has been torn apart but what 2 years or fighting? 3? Genius cause it IS so damaged that no one would expect them to be there.

But from what I remember reading there is still a low intensicty ground war with rebels who refuse to surrender.... and getting their hands on such a weapon to use on aazzie troops would be a major coupe.

Now, Aztech may want into Denver bad, but I doubt they would use or store the weapon there while there is still a chance for a diplomacy to carry the day... not to mention the problems with actually using the weapon in a major city (see my above rants)

So I can see it being in the "heart of darkness" until they can force Ghostie to cross into aztlan territory proper, where they can declare a national emergency and then deploy the weapon.

the flip side of that is Dragons are not stupid. Arrogant, prideful? Sure, but not stupid, They are aware of the weapon now. And will be seeking out it's location for destruction.... most likely through runners. (so all the more reason for it to be somewhere they have the best security... )
 

[Hellion]

I was under the impression that there was more great dragons on the side of Amazonia, but I probably need to do more reading to make sure.... I remember being told there's a fine line between madness and genius, but I have to say you do make a very convincing arguement for it not being kept in Bogota , as for calling any of the above rants, I don't think so. It's easy enough to miss something and work from there, and I'd rather have someone who can defend what they are saying with passion and logic rather than just passion.

[Reaver]

I was under the impression that there was more great dragons on the side of Amazonia, but I probably need to do more reading to make sure.... I remember being told there's a fine line between madness and genius, but I have to say you do make a very convincing arguement for it not being kept in Bogota , as for calling any of the above rants, I don't think so. It's easy enough to miss something and work from there, and I'd rather have someone who can defend what they are saying with passion and logic rather than just passion.

From what I remember, there was really only Suurig, and a feathered Serpent (I want to say Probe, but I think that is wrong) that were greats. There were lots of just dragons that were with Amazonia however (which is scary enough really) not to mention drakes and other awakened critters. But it has been some time since I read Storm front now, so I could be mistaken

and,
Thank you for the compliment.

[Michael Chandra]

Still wondering whether Sybil or Blue-227 will be to blame for the Boston Lockdown.

[Marzhin]

Still wondering whether Sybil or Blue-227 will be to blame for the Boston Lockdown.

Sybil plays a part in the Lockdown it seems, but is it the cause? Only those pesky SR writers know the truth... :p

[Malathis]

Add to that fact that we don't know for sure that dragons even need to eat.... Although there is mention of alamais and others hunting people, we don't know if this was just for sport, or for hunger

Granted they're no longer the same IP/game universe, but in Dragons of Barasive from ED there is mention about dragonkind needing to eat. I'm sure there's a fair bit of hunting by certain dragons for sport, but they still need more than mana to fuel themselves.

[martinchaen]

What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front

[Marzhin]

What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front

It's the setting of the upcoming Shadowrun Online videogame, and it will also get a sourcebook for the pen-and-paper game. And that's all we know for now

[Mirikon]

What's this about a Boston Lockdown? Is it part of the upcoming MMO, because I can't remember reading anything about it in Storm Front

It's the setting of the upcoming Shadowrun Online videogame, and it will also get a sourcebook for the pen-and-paper game. And that's all we know for now

You see, someone gave some flesh forms nanoware, and there's a bunch of Sybil-infected bugs roaming Boston. Bug City 2, just in time for the holidays!

[Red Canti]

They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.

The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ?

At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.

And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.

[Reaver]

They could get away with what is basically magical WMD inside of Aztlan (with fallout spreading into an active war zone). Doing that in Denver, however, would cause serious problems with four national militaries and a bunch of megacorps.

The way i see it is to pull something off like dropping it in Denver is really simple.... You simply disguise some Jaguar Guards or even hire some "terrorist" shadowrunners to break in and steal some Blue-227, then have them release it in Denver..... Gives you plausible deniability and insulates you against backlash, and if you do it right you could even pin the blame on Horizon or Amazonia.... Or does that seem rather seem like a rather simple way of looking at it ?

At the risk of sounding like Mirikon, the Dragons could probably trace a trick like that right back to AZT.

And at any rate, entrusting something on this scale to Shadowrunners is risky, because while they are thugs, thieves, pimps and sharks, they're still human and are almost certainly going to be prone to an attack of conscience.
And you really, really don't want someone going off the Reservation with a weapon as big and bad as the kind AZT took upon themselves to use against The Destroyer.

Correction... SOME runners might have a conscience.... Some are more then happy to skin babies and then rub them in salt.... but usually (hopefully!) their own sociopathic nature removes them from the world in short order.