[Senko]

Wait you can use edge to hack from a comlink by using edge and your objecting to my having difficulty justifying not being able to run a dedicated browsing program? I'd think that was all the more reason for Comlinks being able to run programs as it would explain where kids learn decking skills and then went to a deck so they are able to do it all day long.

@Elektrycerze3
That would explain them not being able to run these programs but not why no ones making comlink variants. I mean look at all the threads on noise shutting down wireless items and tell me with a straight face someone who only has a metalink wouldn't want the noise reducing program.

I'm just reluctant to spend money on storm front if its only good for a conversion from 4th when the summary given earlier doesn't really seem to have any bearing on the problem, especially when I'm having enough trouble with some of these rules as is. You think its worth it even for someone like me who's been drawn in due to the magic/tech in the same setting and isn't familiar with previous editions?

[martinchaen]

Yes, Storm Front is absolutely worth the money, as people have told you umpteen times now...

I really can't state this with more clarity than this...

[Elektrycerze3]

Take any commlink from the book and change its name - now you have a variant.

As for variants that have different stats and are able to run cyberprograms - nope. No variants as corporate overlords don't want you to have any. The IPhone is all you need. Move along.

It's that simple an explanation. It's a dystopia after all: people do what their corporate masters tell them.

Until Data Trails comes out, that is.

[Namikaze]

Storm Front is one of the best books you could buy simply because it is 100% fluff, and explains a LOT about what's been going on.  From the Great Dragon Civil War, the beginnings of Cognitive Fragmentation Disorder, to the epic battle between Harlequin and Ghostwalker in the 16th street mall of Denver.  It's got everything you'll need for all the major metaplot points in the future.

[RHat]

Wait you can use edge to hack from a comlink

GM's option, actually - the rules aren't clear about how things work when your Limit doesn't exist, that is, whether you could ever make a test at all in that circumstance.

[ZeConster]

Wait you can use edge to hack from a comlink by using edge and your objecting to my having difficulty justifying not being able to run a dedicated browsing program?

You already have a dedicated browsing program on your commlink. It's what gives you a Limit of 6 on Matrix Search and Matrix Perception when using your Rating-6 commlink.

[Senko]

Wait you can use edge to hack from a comlink by using edge and your objecting to my having difficulty justifying not being able to run a dedicated browsing program?

You already have a dedicated browsing program on your commlink. It's what gives you a Limit of 6 on Matrix Search and Matrix Perception when using your Rating-6 commlink.

You seem to be missing the whole point of my objection.

[ZeConster]

Oh no, I understood it just fine. However, not only does "Edge allows you to push your machine beyond its limits" have nothing to do with cyberprograms, but I'm getting increasingly fed up with you raising a stink about what is essentially a non-issue.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Enh.  At this point, with the amount of direction he's been given, any additional complaints and confusion are either willing or trolling.  Leave 'im.

[Senko]

Actually at this point I'm reading storm front, not seen anything matrix related yet but I've only just gottwn through the ghostwalker/Harlequinn mess.

[Senko]

Ok I've now read storm front and after doing so feel comfortable having commlinks running common programs.

[RHat]

Ok I've now read storm front and after doing so feel comfortable having commlinks running common programs.

Do what you want, but please don't pretend there were no reasons - in and out of game reasons - against it.  There were many provided, going WELL beyond "this is what the rules say" - and some of your objections to these explanations require that you ignore large pieces of them, such as the "Device Rating/Data Processing != Processing Power" part of the processing power explanation (which is not a "houserule", but a flat damn fact).

[Senko]

I don't recall that, that is I recall the person making the argument here but i don't recall it in the book. Although i do recall a fair bit that would contradict it, where is this fact stated?

Also storm front has the head of the new matrix rollout running a program on peoples commlinks, a person apparently hacking with their commlink and a mention that all programs including deck ones had to be rewritten.

[martinchaen]

"You can lead a horse to water..."

[Senko]

Look I'm sorry, I'm not trolling or arguing for the sake of it. I'm standing by this because I just don't see it. There are bits and pieces here and there that could work but they all just run up against some issue in the books availbale that makes them not work without houseruling.