[Triskavanski]

maybe he always wears a luchadora mask?

[martinchaen]

Maybe, but that kind of mask isn't exactly bulletproof

[Elektrycerze3]

Can't comment in full now. I knew I'd miss something, so here it is with one style at character creation. I have some number-crunching to do. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Triskavanski]

Maybe, but that kind of mask isn't exactly bulletproof

In our world it isn't. In Shadowrun, you can wear a shawl that is bullet proof.

[martinchaen]

Up to the GM is all I'm saying.

If you allow Ballistic Masks to stack with Helmets, why would anyone ever by a regular non-Hardened helmet/full helmet unless they're going for chemical seal. In every case where a chemical seal isn't needed, a Ballistic Mask + Helmet combo gives +4 AV for a lot less than the Full Helmet, which in addition only gives +3 AV.

In addition, it would give you 14 Capacity to use for modifications, which again seems like overkill. To my mind, the mechanics have to represent game balance; if you want a bulletproof luchadora mask AND a helmet; fine, it costs the same as a full helmet, gives +3 AV like a full helmet, and has 8 capacity like a full helmet. Otherwise, you pick the Ballistic Mask OR the Helmet, and the respective AV and capacity ratings...

Again, my opinion only; up to the GM.

[Triskavanski]

Honestly, the more books that come out with more pieces of armor, the more armor + would be available anyways.

[Poindexter]

i feel like you can wear both the mask and the helmet, the armor just dont stack. same as you can wear contacts and goggles to get more capacity, but they don't stack if you say, get 2 smartlinks.
up to the GM, yeah

[Elektrycerze3]

@martinchaen
1. All my other techniques are simply modifications to Called Shots. At my table I don't allow it to stack with techniques which require a separate action. It's just a GM's call. I don't see anything broken about it, honestly.

2. Actual addiction rules at this table don't really matter to me: Error will be using drugs one way or another. But I have whipped up a graph showing one reading of addiction rules about six months ago. It has been brought up in this topic.

3. I don't really understand you. I just want to specialize in Cyber Implants, which is a basic specialization of Unarmed, listed in the book. So I would like our GM to clarify if such specialization would apply to attacks with cyberlimbs without additional implanted weapons. I know how MA specializations work, but I have them as a back-up plan.

Thanks for your advice. Although I would appreciate if you could refrain from giving such detailed advice: sometimes it's too much. Thank you =)

4. You must be right. I'm not a native speaker, so I'll change it to something you listed. We have a separate word for that in Russian, but I failed to find a fitting English translation for it =(

5. Yeah, thanks, I can read weapon codes and descriptions =P It's for those times when fecal matter makes contact with rotating blades =)

I don't really see a problem with stacking a helmet and a ballistic mask, but I can swap the helmet for snake socks for you =)) There are lots off accessories, which grant armor bonuses and not every one makes sense. But that's a game. So here I agree with Triskavanski =)

6. See 3 above =)

7. Or I can ask our GM if it's OK to have all the penalties from that N. Quality, but justify them differently. The book is not set in stone =) Additionally, Error wouldn't be able to cover up his fame and attitude (one can come up with ways to cover them up, but I just would like if the penalty applied all the time). So not a big deal mechanics-wise, but it works great for the concept.

Can't wait for the game to start =)

[martinchaen]

It's all good, Elek. Like I said, my comments were mostly intended for the GM seeing as how he's stated that he's new to the rules.

As a GM myself, I merely provided my point of view like I have with the other characters.

PS: I'm not a native English speaker myself; it's all good

Also;

Maybe, but that kind of mask isn't exactly bulletproof

In our world it isn't. In Shadowrun, you can wear a shawl that is bullet proof.

Not really; with only +2 AV, even a round from a Holdout Pistol is likely to rip right through that fabric on a direct hit. Same goes for most helmets, with the exception of Mil-Spec gear; they're more like modern day kevlar helmets, in that they're bullet resistant, not bullet proof. But that's just me being pedantic again

[Triskavanski]

The moonlight armor from Zoe has a bullet blocking shawl, that probably makes up most of the armor value of that armor.

[Elektrycerze3]

The moonlight armor from Zoe has a bullet blocking shawl, that probably makes up most of the armor value of that armor.

+1


By the way, are we on a tight schedule? If that's the case, I'll finish Error asap. I would love to tinker with him a bit, but I'm currently on a business trip, so that might take a day or two, sadly :-(

[martinchaen]

No idea on the schedule, to be honest.

And to be fair, the shawl that comes with every piece of Nightshade/Moonsilver is made out of "spidersilk ballistic cloth", and the whole ensemble costs 8,500¥. Just a TAD more than the 150¥ of a ballistic mask, wouldn't you say?

[Elektrycerze3]

No idea on the schedule, to be honest.

And to be fair, the shawl that comes with every piece of Nightshade/Moonsilver is made out of "spidersilk ballistic cloth", and the whole ensemble costs 8,500¥. Just a TAD more than the 150¥ of a ballistic mask, wouldn't you say?

You have to pay for the look :-P

[martinchaen]

And the spidersilk, no doubt.

Anyway, I'll try to recap any questions we have for our poor GM; I'll go through the last couple pages and summarize.

[EDIT]
Omnibobatron, here's some questions for you.

From Elek:
The description of Kick doesn't explain what are "basic Unarmed Combat actions". The maneuvers above are not actions at all, but are variations on the Called Shot rules. So I'd like to hear if our GM would allow to use Kick with Called Shots.

KICK ATTACK
Yeah, everyone can insert boot in opponent’s groin, but not everyone can level a kick to the sternum or raise their leg above their head and drop it like an axe without pulling something. From the traditional back, side, and reverse kicks to the axe kick, this is a staple of many martial arts. This technique provides +1 Reach to basic Unarmed Combat Actions. Multiple purchases of this technique cannot be combined to give more than a +1 Reach advantage.

From Elek:
Will the Unarmed Combat (Cyber Implants) specialization apply to cyberlimbs?

From Elek:
"Will you allow Performance (Showing Off/Showmanship) to apply where Error is playing to a crowd/audience/cameras?"

From Elek:
Will you allow Agile Defender from Run & Gun?

AGILE DEFENDER (–3 KARMA)
Speed kills, but quickness and agility can be the key to avoiding a speedy death. This quality allows the character to use their Agility in place of their Willpower attribute while using Full Defense.

From Elek:
Will you allow Prejudice (Technomancers)?

From Poindexter:
Will you allow a Ballistic Mask that looks like Gordon Freeman?

From Martin (that's me! )
Would you allow a helmet and a ballistic mask to stack?

From Martin:
How do you want to handle addiction tests?
Elek posted a link that explains the concept pretty well; http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=16349.msg288113#msg288113

From Martin:
Winnipeg is in the UCAS; are we using the standard Seattle, UCAS availability rules from the core book? I.e. what is Forbidden/Restricted and such?

From Martin/Elek:
How "distinctive" does Distinctive Style have to be?

[Poindexter]

Elek posted a link that explains the concept pretty well; http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=16349.msg288113#msg288113

i hope jellybean never needs to refer to this table, cause once he's on it, im afraid he'll be on it for a while.