[Malevolence]

I should know better than to roll against you, Tec (4 hits out of 5!), but Ohanzee's gonna go for it.


Con [5 Con + 6 Cha + 1 advantageous to NPC - 2 Prejudiced]: 10d6t5 4


I hope his dice pool to resist Con is similar to his Perception DP

[Tecumseh]

I checked Native American Nations and confirmed that armor prices in the PCC are the same as Seattle, so the list prices you see in the book are what's listed on the AROs around the shop.

The salesman gets a bonus die for having time to evaluate the situation.

Con resist: 5d6t5 1 hit

Looks like Ohanzee has sold the story for now. Ohanzee's story can refer to "Coulter Lake Guest Ranch", also known as a dude ranch. That would help explain the presence of the Chino and Doc. Ohanzee, presumably, is the ranch employee and the Caucasians are the tourists gearing up for a week of thrills. The salesman can respect that.

I'll get an IC post up in the morning.

[Tecumseh]

Shopping list
Ace: helmet (¥100) or ballistic mask (¥150) + SecureTech PPP (¥900 for a full set)
Doc: helmet or ballistic mask (same as above) + shotgun ammo
Chino: armor
Sam: armor (optional) with chemical protection (not optional)

If Doc wants shotgun shells then he can find anything rated Restricted (but not Forbidden).

The Ares products described are all in Run & Gun. Off-the-shelf, their Custom Protection is all Insulation. If you want to custom order a new suit then it will take two days to arrive.

@rednblack Let me know what you want for Ace and Chino.
@zweiblumen Let me know what Doc wants
@Poindexter If Sam wants stealthier armor, speak up.
@All Feel free to RP as you see fit.

[Zweiblumen]

Yeah, Doc will want one box of stick-n-shock and one box of flechette.

[Tecumseh]

Going to give this until the end of the day, then we'll move on. Proposed list:

Ace: ballistic mask (¥150)
Ace: SecureTech PPP (¥900 for a full set)
Doc: helmet (¥100)
Doc: shotgun ammo (¥145)
Chino: Ares Victory Globetrotter Jacket (¥1,300) w/ Insulation 4

Total is ¥2,595. That would leave ¥1,270 in the shared credstick for groceries and any additional expenses.

[Tecumseh]

IC post is up. Action is to Zweiblumen and Malevolence.

@Zweiblumen, you were expressing an interest of having the meet in the Matrix. You have Data Trails and probably know more about how this could be done than I do. If you still want to do something along those lines, let us know, and explain it fairly precisely ICly and/or here. Ohanzee does have access to Chino's commlink (a Renraku Sensei with a hot-sim module).

You have 10 Combat Turns of actions before the caller is invited to leave a message. That is, of course, if the caller stays on the line for that long.

[Zweiblumen]

Doc would use a public host like a library as the spot to meet.  There would be private rooms available there.  While not super secure, it's neutral ground that is relatively safe.  Ohanzee would be there in cold-sim, Doc in hot-sim to keep an eye on things (ie, running active matrix perception scans).

I also hope that ohanzee and doc would have had a plan for this prior to the call, though I don't think we do.  So, such is life.  I'll get an IC up with Doc pressing for a meeting at the public library in San Francisco.  Not UCAS, not PCC, fairly neutral ground that will provide free access to a private-ish meeting.

IC up once I wrap up some stuff at work.

[Zweiblumen]

Actually, before I post my IC I want to make sure this is kosher with Tec.

There's nothing special in DT that would pertain to having a private conversation.  With short notice, it's unlikely that they would be able to access the foundation to truly screw us (and everyone else in the host), they'd have to go with more conventional methods of blatetly attacking us or trying to trick the host into attacking us.

My thoughts are that the SF public library would be scultped similarly to the way the building is (err, I don't know what it actually looks like inside, but I've heard it's really nice ;p).  Rows and rows of books in the center with study areas/rooms around it.  Stairs going up to the 2nd and 3rd floor with more of the same.

Message alongs the lines of "Meet in the SF public library host, 3rd floor room 315." Or what ever room Doc is able to find available.

Matrix Perception in the host to find a room?
Matrix Perception (Comp 5 + Int 4 + Quali 1 + Spec 2 = 12): 12d6t5 4

[Malevolence]

I'm good with that plan. I have to go back through the posts and double check what our demands are.

[Tecumseh]

There's certainly enough time for Doc and Ohanzee to hammer out a plan while they're sitting at the Nukit Burger. And you can certainly respond to the caller with further instructions of where to meet, since the initial message did not.

Finding a quiet room in the host of the San Francisco library won't be much of an issue. The only hurdle, however slight, is that you need to Grid Hop to San Francisco's local grid, which we'll call GoldenGrid unless someone knows what it's actually called in-universe.

Doc would find that there is a public conference room available on the third floor of the San Francisco Library. It's called the Martin Paley Conference Room and it has a suggested capacity of 15. (Online, this really is just a suggestion, but indicates the sizing of the room's sculpting.) If Doc wants something even smaller, there are study rooms on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th floors. Study rooms:
1) are intended primarily for one-hour study sessions, not multi-hour use;
2) signup on a given floor to once per day; and,
3) are sculpted to hold two people, max three.

[Zweiblumen]

This is the second time I've seen a reference on the boards to needing to grid hop to a host. I'm pretty sure all hosts are available from all grids.  I'll double check in the morning, I know there's at least a red sidebar in crb that talks about visiting the neotokyo tourism board from a commlink in Seattle.

I think that might be the name of the grid. It's in DT, I'll look it up in the morning if I have to hop grids.

And he'll grab the big conference room.  This is a pretty special meeting after all.

[Tecumseh]

I would say that the issue is less than clear. I'm comfortable deferring to you in this matter as you've read Data Trails and likely have a greater understanding of the underpinning logic.

I suppose the underlying question, which I'm not seeing an answer to, is whether Hosts live on grids or whether Hosts are basically grids unto themselves.

For discussion purposes, I was going off this passage from "Grids on a Run" on p. 233 of SR5:

On a typical shadowrun, you’ll only be dealing with one or two grids, aside from the public one. Most likely, there will be the one you’re typically on (probably your local or public grid) and the one that your targets are on. It’s usually fairly obvious which grid your objectives are using. All the devices and people in a Shiawase facility will be using the Shiawase global grid, for example, while a thrill gang is probably on the public grid, and local law enforcement on the local grid.

To me, that was suggesting that the Shiawase facility - which one would presume is a host, although this could be a case of the authors getting sloppy with their examples - was on a separate grid that you would need to hop to.

But then the very next paragraph says that the -2 penalty to interacting with something on another grid doesn't apply if you're inside a host, which undermines my logic because if a host is on a grid then why would there be a penalty on that grid outside of the host but not inside. 

But, conversely, doesn't it seem strange that someone from the Aliied German States using their local host could be inside the Nukit Burger host with you in the PCC without having any sort of penalty for being on a different grid? That just presumes that every host - from Mr. Moran's home to the local Stuffer Shack - has a global presence that seems unlikely.

But, as I said, I might be using the wrong metaphors or not perfectly grasping the in-game logic. Go ahead and get your IC post up and don't worry about the grid-hop.

[Zweiblumen]

Thanks for the trust.  The quick answer is that basically hosts are a grid unto themselves. Each host has a foundation, and all foundations are connected (how is unclear with theories it may be via the resonance realms but not exactly?) and if you get access to the foundation (not easy, and very dangerous), of two hosts, you have a back door from one to the other.  This is only germane in that it shows hosts are not tied to grids but rather to "something else" and each other.

IC post this afternoon or tomorrow.

[Malevolence]

My understanding of it is that Hosts live on a Grid only in the sense that if you need to HotF or BF a mark, you are going against the cross grid penalty unless you are on their native grid. If you already have a mark, I don't think you need to jump to their local grid before using the Enter Host action since the Enter/Exit host action is unopposed, so the cross grid penalty is moot. Once in the host, you do not suffer penalties due to noise or crossing grids. Since I think we intend to enter the host legitimately, we shouldn't need to worry about it.


ETA: relevant to the discussion, and not contradicted by anything in DT so far as I know:

Each host is on a specific grid. Like the rest of the Ma-
trix, a host can be accessed from any grid. Hosts are part of
the Matrix, so once you’re inside a host, the grid you’re on
doesn’t really matter.

[Zweiblumen]

Thanks Mal.  That was the section I was looking for.  I forgot about the 'attached to a grid' line.  I agree 100% with your interpretation for gaining marks vs accessing.

I'll get my IC up asap (out with my wife today).