[Lodestar]

@Medicineman don't take for a lazy bastard, but I've being looking the R&G and didn't find such rule. Where is it?

[Medicineman]

RG one Page 107 R&G (US Version)

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Medicineman

[Top Dog]

But, Medicineman, for the range penalties. The imaging scope with Vision Magnification will mitigate by how much that distance? A level?

An Ares Desert Strike, for example, has for short 0-50 and medium (-1) 51-350. With a Vision Magnification at her Imaging Scope, the 51-350 would become short and no penalty would be added, am I right? And 351-800 (the next range window) would be the medium, then.

And, for sure a Goggle with Vision Magnification wouldn't apply to that same Imaging Scope effect (just following common sense).

Vision Magnification shifts the range condition one step back. So yes, medium becomes short and long becomes medium (short, of course, stays short).

How you get that Vision Magnification doesn't matter. You can get it with a scope - scopes have Vision Magnification build-in, by the way, you don't need to add it seperately. But yes, goggles with Vision Magnification apply the same effect.

I'm pretty sure you have to use Take Aim to get the benefits of Vision Magnification, by the way. But I can't find the rules on that right now so I might be mistaken there.

Of Course you can shoot twice.
Shooting a Gun is a simple Action you have two simple Actions.
You can ATTAC only Once though ! (thems the rules in the BBB for a more realistic but also more dangerous Style You'd better use the R&G Optional Rules)

Like you say, you can attack only once. That means you can use only one of those two simple actions for an attack.

I mean, I guess you can use the second one to shoot if the second shot isn't an attack. But what the hell else would you do with a shot?

[Lodestar]

@Medicineman, why do you think it's so OP two attacks per Combat Phase? I mean... Can't you shoot twice with a SA gun (I'm not saying the burst fire for a complex action some guns have in SA)?

@Top Dog and again, it must be a free action to apply the effect, right? I mean, when the gear is wireless, which can be hacked.

[Medicineman]

 

  I mean, I guess you can use the second one to shoot if the second shot isn't an attack. But what the hell else would you do with a shot?

Do not ask Me !
 I did not invent the SR5 Rules
I'm merely stating them
(and pointing out that the SR4A Rules made more sense to me )

 

@Medicineman, why do you think it's so OP two attacks per Combat Phase?

SR5 Weapons do sig nificantly more Damage than SR4A Weapons ( 150 % mostly)
and If your Char (or the NPCs ) have (f.E.) 3 Inipasses, this would mean, they cann Attack you 6 times , twice as often as by RAW
Even though Armor also raised by about 150 % and You can dodge now with REA & INT (instead of only REA in SR4A)  the Damage output of the Guns is more extreme than the protecting Factors of Dodging and Armor.
Imagine an Enemy with an Enfield AS 7 Assault Shotgun in Burst Mode firing Twice at You with 15P ( AP +4 for Shot rounds) and ....3 Successes each . And Your char getting -1 to Dodge because of the Choke....
and in the second   Inipass he attacks maybe only once because of Recoil, but  twice again in the 3rd pass.
That would be 5 Attacks in 3 Seconds....
But  this is just an....educated Guess from me . You should try it at your own  Table
Your own experience is far better than a calculation that I made

with an educated Dance
Medicineman

[Xenon]

Xenon, why are You imitating my style and why do you Sign your Post with Medicineman

I was posting at the same time as you. Noticed that you already answered the question. Didn't want to erase my post. Edited it to enter "Slipped my Medicineman". Edited it again and put a <Enter> before your name to imitate your regular signature because if no other reason than fun. Sorry.

I can go back and edit out the <Enter> if it offend you....

Of Course you can shoot twice.
Shooting a Gun is a simple Action you have two simple Actions.

I wrote two simple attack actions.
You can't attack with both your simple actions....

What you can do is to fire both at the same time as one simple attack action by splitting the pool and spending a free multiple attacks action.

Thats what I already wrote !

That is why I edited my post with "Slipped by Medicineman".

Note that this can be done against two different targets - which is pretty cool

I'm not quite sure if thats Possible with two SS Weapons.

Still half a week until i get back to my books but i am pretty sure that the simple action to fire a firearm at p. 165 (or so) say something along the lines of: "if you wield one weapon in each hand then you can attack two different targets by taking the multiple attack free action"?

[Top Dog]

Xenon, why are You imitating my style and why do you Sign your Post with Medicineman

I was posting at the same time as you. Noticed that you already answered the question. Didn't want to erase my post. Edited it to enter "Slipped my Medicineman". Edited it again and put a <Enter> before your name to imitate your regular signature because if no other reason than fun. Sorry.

I can go back and edit out the <Enter> if it offend you....

I got it. I thought it was funny.

  I mean, I guess you can use the second one to shoot if the second shot isn't an attack. But what the hell else would you do with a shot?

Do not ask Me !
 I did not invent the SR5 Rules
I'm merely stating them
(and pointing out that the SR4A Rules made more sense to me )

Well okay, yes, as long as (per core) we all agree that you can only attack with the first simple action used to shoot.

SR4 made more sense, but the 2 attacks per round was terrible for actual gameplay, in my experience. Which would be why they changed it.

[Xenon]

With a semi automatic or burst fire weapon you can also still pull the trigger as fast as you can stabilise the weapon between shots by taking a complex attack action.

With a semi automatic weapon this mean you pull the trigger three times (either against one target or by splitting the pool and spending a free multiple attacks free action and attack three different targets with one bullet each) and with a burst fire weapon you pull the trigger twice (either against one target or by splitting the pool and spending a free multiple attacks action and attack two targets with a burst of 3 bullets each)

[Medicineman]

Well okay, yes, as long as (per core) we all agree that you can only attack with the first simple action used to shoot.

or the first is a warning shot in the Air.... ?
as long as You Attack only once is a better "agreement"


@ Xenon's  Dancing Post

Naaah ,It's OK . I'm not offended i just did'nt understand the Intention of the Post....
I was just wondering what that's all about since I'm not american, I thought this was some kind of ....US Humor copying somebody else's style .That's why I asked
 




with a Gentleman's Dance
Medicineman

[Novocrane]

or the first is a warning shot in the Air.... ?

Usually you wait after firing a warning shot, so there's a window of opportunity in which to comply.

[Medicineman]

or the first is a warning shot in the Air.... ?

Usually you wait after firing a warning shot, so there's a window of opportunity in which to comply.

Well than You have to find yourself an explenation why You can shoot Twice but You can  Attack only Once per Iniphase
..Go ahead , find your own Truth ( is that a correct saying ? )

with an unamerican Dance
Medicineman

looks down to Kincaid's post and LOLs

[Kincaid]

or the first is a warning shot in the Air.... ?

Usually you wait after firing a warning shot, so there's a window of opportunity in which to comply.

Lone Star disagrees with you.

[Xenon]

Would that generate cumulative recoil? 

[UnLimiTeD]

If you fire the warning shot second, you don't need to care about recoil.
So everybody wins.

[Novocrane]

or the first is a warning shot in the Air.... ?

Usually you wait after firing a warning shot, so there's a window of opportunity in which to comply.

Lone Star disagrees with you.

Aye, they shoot to kill first, and let off a warning shot once they get their story straight.