[Jack_Spade]

The grenade throw was before Ini started. Otherwise I couldn't have aimed for three actions.

If you use the fire spirit, I'd like to see his conceal check (Firespirits have neither sneak nor concealment as powers). And also he has to be manifested first - which seems unlikely after you established it as a possession spirit.

If you had an earthspirit waiting manifested in the ground I can understand whats happened. But a fire spirit ambushed me with engulf while riding on a bike from a direction they couldn't have known about?

Also, I'll spend edge not to be engulfed. Otherwise energy aura will kill me faster than you can say barbecue

[gilga]

Think about it like a trap, it possessed the earth on the path to the bike. If you miss it there is no big fire elemental after you, it will just leave and posses something else (tree?)  - I do not believe that possessed items appear any different on the physical plane.

correction - the elemental attack is ranged so the land will spit fire or something like that - tough the range itself I think is limited (such a complex game).

[Mulcarn]

Another reason why I don't like Possession traditions.  They overly complicate things that are already complicated to begin with.

[gilga]

I find them very difficult. The spirit tried to posses kynos and failed and then tried to posses the bike and failed and eventually settled for possessing some rock. Then once the spirit finally is in this world it does not get the immunity to normal weapons and so on.  So it feels to me that possession is either go big or go home. F5 is too vanila.

[All4BigGuns]

I find them very difficult. The spirit tried to posses kynos and failed and then tried to posses the bike and failed and eventually settled for possessing some rock. Then once the spirit finally is in this world it does not get the immunity to normal weapons and so on.  So it feels to me that possession is either go big or go home. F5 is too vanila.

Should be having the possession spirits possess their summoner (generally will be voluntary). Possession is generally the best choice for a mage combative outside of his magic (well, that or Channeling meta-magic which now lets materialization traditions have their spirits possess them while still retaining control).



On a completely separate note, considering that it's been a week since I made my last post without getting a reply, I'm thinking it'd either be best for me to either bow out or switch characters again.

[gilga]

Oh sorry, if I forget you just ping me, it's been some very difficult days and you are a bit in the future so it is difficult to speculate what you should find.

[All4BigGuns]

Probably just as well that I at least bring another since I'm, at this point, only seeing PvP shenanigans ensuing (and likely "cheap shots" like long range sniper shots from stealth).

[gilga]

The last thing I read is you going to the Joke to find Strawberry in the meanwhile the Joke was burned to the ground and right now Kynos is trying to grab Strawberry so I'll have to resolve that before I can imagine what you find there.

[gilga]

Well i am not sure I understand but if you want to play an a different character then okay. I have no problem with 'cheap' long range shots. Kynos dropped Venom to unconscious in a single shot and I made him a prime runner with many karma (He should have been difficult to handle). The poor orc never saw it coming.

[Jack_Spade]

Just to understand this:
You want to possess the earth. With a fire spirit? 

May I direct you to the following text regarding inanimate vessels:
"The spirit can use any of its powers through the vessel itself, but it can only move the vessel in ways the vessel can normally perform." p.197

That seems to be the last place a mobile and active fire spirit would ever possess

You would have trapped your spirit in one patch of ground - ground Kynos just drove over at considerable speed (4 = 40m/turn) with lugged tires.
Sounds to me like the spirit would have to resist Body (=5) AP 6 damage.

Just for the record, I don't like this use of possession in this kind. In my opinion you need a discreet object as a vessel not a patch of ground (especially not one where living gras grows and is part of the gaia sphere). And unless you spread that spirit thin like a pancake (which I don't think is possible - you can't possess just part of an object) you would have an unmovable patch of earth where you couldn't possibly predict the course of the bike and still be ready to do your action. At the very least I'd have expected the spirit to make an edge check to get his ambush site right.
Possession is itself a complex action and until Kynos attacked you did not know where he would come from. So the spirit would have to choose his spot beforehand while Kynos fired the first grenade and beat Kynos' Ini of 30 to do his attack.

I won't contest your ruling, but it takes a lot of fun away for me if any planing I do is countered by ready enemies that don't have to deal with combat distances and time constraints - my only advantages while I'm dealing with mojo-slingers.
Next time it's simply grenades upon grenades with a side order of grenades until no NPCs are alive to give me grieve 

[Mulcarn]

That's why I thought it was a guidance spirit and not a fire spirit.  Else you'd have a fiery mound of dirt attacking you.  That kind of leads me to the thing that Jack pointed out.  Can a spirit even possess something like the earth?  I'm fine with it using the Engulf - Earth power to open a pit to munch on you.  But is that even possible with a fire spirit who has Engulf - Fire?

[gilga]

Yes engulf fire - and while Kynos was aiming for 3 rounds  and then tossed a grenade at the forth. (completely static by the way - otherwise I do not think it is possible to take aim for so long as the distance to the target changes constantly - but never mind I do not want to overly complicate things. )  Dream of passion that was constantly following Kynos in the astral while he was tossing smoke grenades and scaring people. She  even attempted (and failed) to posses his bike.  Finally Kynos stopped, took position of 50 meters and aimed so I figured this would be her opportunity to interfere.

As to her personality - I feel that she is consistent with her own manner as a non confrontational spirit. She behaved the same for where she spent the entire story in the clothes of Maxwell just to 'blow up' in the end. In explosive start she tried to posses Kynos but avoided confrontation with him but followed him home.  I can totally see her placing an ambush like that and then leaving to the astral to find some other little object to posses.

But we are kind of over thinking it are we?

[Jack_Spade]

That's three phases, not three turns of aiming. Or rather two complex actions in all from drawing to firing. And per the rules you can aim exactly for as long as half your WIL rounded up.

Answer me this truthfully: Would you still have pulled of the ambush in this form if I'd changed position a third time after my attack?
Because I rather think my actions have no influence on how this would have played out. 

Oh and another thing:
Should the rocking form of Strawberry be an illusion, please don't forget that there is a resistance roll.

[gilga]

2. Resist illusions: 8d6t5 2 

1. If you'd do something unexpected than no she'd fail the ambush. (Same way that Venom assumed that you head for Strawberry - it is the moment you were starting to toss grenades that rose peoples suspicion that you want to harm her. At least the way I view the situation.

[Jack_Spade]

It's funny because I actually don't intend to kill Strawberry and I certainly won't attempt to grab her. Kynos will keep true to his promise.