[adzling]

It's a pity that Harrison Ford sucked so badly in the movie. You could tell he could give two shits about being there and just wanted to get it over with.
He almost spoiled the movie for me.

[Raiderjoseph]

It's a pity that Harrison Ford sucked so badly in the movie. You could tell he could give two shits about being there and just wanted to get it over with.
He almost spoiled the movie for me.

The only roles people want from him lately are ones he's already done and furthermore people have wanted them for years. Wouldn't stop nagging him about it. I'd be pissed off at having to reprise the role too. I rather liked him in Morning Glory... he's a good actor guys.

[All4BigGuns]

I fully endorse J.J. Abrams getting his shot at the Star Wars franchise after what he did to Star Trek...

What he did to Star Trek...

Do you mean the way he revitalized a franchise that was nearing flatline due to not having anything new produced for several years, bringing in a whole new batch of fans?

[Jack_Spade]

Sure, if you want to call it that...

I admit that I didn't even bother watching more than a few episodes of the last tv-series - to much rebooting and re-imagining for my taste. And the two films did exactly the same only even more so and with even less regard to Roddenberry's vision. Not to mention the simply moronic plot devices in the last film...

Suffice to say, that I didn't enjoy them. But each to his own...

[All4BigGuns]

Sure, if you want to call it that...

I admit that I didn't even bother watching more than a few episodes of the last tv-series - to much rebooting and re-imagining for my taste. And the two films did exactly the same only even more so and with even less regard to Roddenberry's vision. Not to mention the simply moronic plot devices in the last film...

Suffice to say, that I didn't enjoy them. But each to his own...

I, on the other hand, enjoy all Trek (with a few general exceptions) including the new movies. The new movies are very good, just different and brought up to date.

The exceptions:
1) Shatner's performance in TOS
2) The very first motion picture made - Boring drivel


Side note - By refusing to watch much Enterprise, you miss out on one of the best recurring characters not on the main cast in Trek--Commander Shran.

[Sipowitz]

I'm not a JJ Abrams fan.
This latest money grab...er Star Wars movie... what retread of a retread of a retread it was.  I felt so icky after watching it I went home and took a shower.   And don't get me started on the joke he turned Star Trek into....

[jim1701]

Sure, if you want to call it that...

I admit that I didn't even bother watching more than a few episodes of the last tv-series - to much rebooting and re-imagining for my taste. And the two films did exactly the same only even more so and with even less regard to Roddenberry's vision. Not to mention the simply moronic plot devices in the last film...

Suffice to say, that I didn't enjoy them. But each to his own...

I, on the other hand, enjoy all Trek (with a few general exceptions) including the new movies. The new movies are very good, just different and brought up to date.

The exceptions:
1) Shatner's performance in TOS
2) The very first motion picture made - Boring drivel


Side note - By refusing to watch much Enterprise, you miss out on one of the best recurring characters not on the main cast in Trek--Commander Shran.

I also like the new Star Trek movies though I would have made some different choices in the special effects department.  Star Trek weaponry is iconic to the series and going with a more generic looking PEW PEW for the starships was a little disappointing.  OTOH I think the actors did an excellent job of paying homage to those that preceded them and the time travel spawning an alternate time line is classic Star Trek shenanigans. 

I do disagree with your exceptions.  Yes Shatner was over the top but that was one of the things that made TOS so distinctive.  Plus think of all the comedy skits that would never have existed if not for Shatner's Kirk.  Also, at least in my case, the first movie gets better the more times I watch it.     Of course, I thought TNG series was pretty boring when it first got started too.  It took quite a while for me to warm up to that show. 

As to Enterprise, I have a love/hate relationship with that show.  IMHO for every thing they did right with that show they so screwed something else up.  The one thing, though, that I can't forgive them for is that god forsaken temporal cold war.  God I hated that plot line.  It would've been one thing if it had been a one and done but they went back to it over and over and over and over.......


EDIT: And as for Star Wars I have to say I enjoyed the hell out of it.  I would have tried to find some other toy to give the New Order than what they did but what are you going to do? 

[MijRai]

There's only one other option, Jim; BUILD A BIGGER SPACE STATION OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

[jim1701]

There's only one other option, Jim; BUILD A BIGGER SPACE STATION OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

Well, another thing that bothered me is where they got their hands on Gallifreyan technology.  I mean to cram that much hydrogen in there it would've had to been bigger on the inside, right?

[MijRai]

Well, freezing it cold enough should shrink it down a good bit...  Not sure how much, though. 

[Sabato Kuroi]

It's a pity that Harrison Ford sucked so badly in the movie. You could tell he could give two shits about being there and just wanted to get it over with.
He almost spoiled the movie for me.

Really?

I thought he was great....I could never dream for a better "old" Solo.

[celondon]

The Star Trek Movies:
They are entertaining and the *characterizations* are quite good. I like the re-imagining of the characters and their interactions.
The plotlines, however, have been utterly awful and insulting to the intelligence of the audience almost as badly as the Transformers nonsense. In neither movie did any of the villains do anything remotely believable or logical. They existed, alongside their respective macguffins, simply to push the action forward.

New Star Wars:
This film was handled in a much better fashion. The characters were good, most of the scenes made some logical sense. There are a few things that are just stupid (the monsters on Hans ship, the interstellar Planetkiller) but overall, it treated the audience with much more respect than either of the Trek outing.

I see a lot of complaints about it being a retread of A New Hope and, yes, there are similarities, but they are mainly thematic and structural. Rey and Finn are Very different from Luke and Han and Han as Obi-Wan is nowhere near the same.

[jim1701]

It's a pity that Harrison Ford sucked so badly in the movie. You could tell he could give two shits about being there and just wanted to get it over with.
He almost spoiled the movie for me.

Really?

I thought he was great....I could never dream for a better "old" Solo.

Agreed.

[jim1701]

The Star Trek Movies:
They are entertaining and the *characterizations* are quite good. I like the re-imagining of the characters and their interactions.
The plotlines, however, have been utterly awful and insulting to the intelligence of the audience almost as badly as the Transformers nonsense. In neither movie did any of the villains do anything remotely believable or logical. They existed, alongside their respective macguffins, simply to push the action forward.

Honestly not sure where you are getting this from.  Nero was nuts, plain and simple.  Plus he's a Romulan which means concern for anything not Romulan is pretty minimal.  He's bent on revenge against Spock at any cost.  If you are expecting ANYTHING logical from him then you don't understand Nero's motivation.

As to Khan I did not see anything from him do anything that was out of character from the previous incarnation of Khan.  Khan is super intelligent, manipulative, arrogant and completely ruthless.  After all he did help start WWIII at one time.  There isn't anything he would be unwilling to do to a) survive and b) liberate his followers.

I wasn't overly fond of Peter Weller's character but there are precedents for him.  Both Enterprise and Star Trek VI used subversive elements in Starfleet who attempts to manipulate events in order to "protect" Earth's interests.  These are your ends justify the means types. 

That's my two cents on it anyway.

[celondon]

Honestly not sure where you are getting this from.  Nero was nuts, plain and simple.  Plus he's a Romulan which means concern for anything not Romulan is pretty minimal.  He's bent on revenge against Spock at any cost.  If you are expecting ANYTHING logical from him then you don't understand Nero's motivation.

Okay, for a single example: How long did he and his shipmates float around in dead space twiddling their thumbs doing nothing, not resupplying, taking shoreleave, communicating with, oh, anyone? Twenty years was it? Stupid, insulting and any writer worth his salt would never do such a painfully stupid thing.