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Does one still get Bonus Knowledge SkillPoints and Contact Points in LifeModule?

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Raiderjoseph

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« on: <02-22-16/2107:11> »
Im almost done with my intrepid wageslave janitor and am curious if you do.
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« Reply #1 on: <02-22-16/2128:01> »
Both the guy who wrote it and the German version of RunFaster says you get the free knowledge and contact points. However, some GMs still don't allow it so ask the GM of the game your playing in. 

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« Reply #2 on: <02-22-16/2207:16> »
Going by the example of character creation that they give, I would lean towards "no".  That may change in subsequent printings.

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« Reply #3 on: <02-22-16/2346:55> »
Unfortunately, using examples for anything (especially Character Gen) in Shadowrun can be misleading.  I don't think there is a premade character in the core book that is not built wrong.  That is why I make rulings based on the actual rules over using the examples.  Based on what Run Faster says, you use the rules on page 98 of the core book.  Those rules state: 'Each character receives free Karma to spend on their initial contacts.  This Karma is equal to a Character's Charisma rating x 3.'  That is pretty cut and dried.  In addition, while life modules give you knowledge skills they don't give you contacts. 

You would not get free Knowledge skills, as the same section spells out needing to 'Use the tables on p. 107, SR5, to determine the cost of buying attributes, skills, and other elements your character might need.'  The rules on page 107 cover everything but Contacts, and that section does not mention anything about free Knowledge skill points.  Only when they talk about Contacts do they specifically say that you use a different section of rules.

So, as a GM my ruling would be that you get the free Contact Karma, but not the free Knowledge skills.  Others can disagree, but they would need to cite some rule that says otherwise and overrides the Run Faster written rules.

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« Reply #4 on: <02-22-16/2353:09> »
HeroLab gives the free Knowledge points and free Contact points in both systems, but take this with a grain of salt because Friends in High Places doesn't work properly as the Contacts bought from its pool will throw errors because of their minimum Connection.
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Raiderjoseph

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« Reply #5 on: <02-23-16/0001:03> »
Ah crap I must have missed the part about Contacts. Sorry to bother you all.
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« Reply #6 on: <02-23-16/0216:42> »
The sample characters were built with an incomplete set of rules before some things were finalized.  Examples of character creation have far fewer errors because they are made along with the rules.  Contacts are listed as another expenditure - so assuming that the free points apply is reading too much into a mere reference to the contacts rules (connection and loyalty ratings, costs, etc.).  There might be a slight ambiguity, if the example wasn't very clear.

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« Reply #7 on: <02-23-16/0438:15> »
Im almost done with my intrepid wageslave janitor and am curious if you do.

When I was originally messing around with life module character creation, I didn't think you did get those. However in the thread the discussion took place in, it got confirmed that you do get them.