[k_night]

But a troll hiding is also hidden. threshold 4

[Herr Brackhaus]

No.

ETA:
To elaborate: if you're really trying to argue that spotting a Troll (or any metatype for that matter) trying to hide is the equivalent of locating a secret door, then we have nothing more to talk about.

[k_night]

The only thing i was trying make clear is that in this case RAW is a mess.

[Herr Brackhaus]

Not in that last case, no. "Hidden" does not equal "trying to hide", especially when the example specifically calls out "Secret door" as a reference.

[Coyote]

if you're really trying to argue that spotting a Troll (or any metatype for that matter) trying to hide is the equivalent of locating a secret door, then we have nothing more to talk about.

Well, what if he had the Troll Reduction, so that he's only secretly a troll? That would make him a Secret Troll, at which point it might make sense to equate him to a secret door. 

[Herr Brackhaus]

Hahahaha. Touché.

[wamphyri]

Don't forget the -3 modifier to perception tests for the micro drone being miniscule in size.

Rigger 5.0 p181

[FasterN8]

That's a fair house rule; however, since this is posted in the Rules and Such forum, I think it's worth pointing out that that IS a house rule. By RAW, there are Success Tests and then there are Opposed Tests; spotting a micro-sized object would be the former, while spotting a micro-sized object that is actively trying to hide would be the latter.

I also think it's worth pointing out that we do the same as k_night and Coyote at my table also, because otherwise spotting a drone that's running Stealth is just too easy.

Even within RAW there are opposed tests that also have a threshold.  Puppeteer comes to mind as an example.

[FancyDerek]

What's the threshold to spot a Giant wearing glass-heeled sparkly boots with Goldfish swimming in them?

[Finstersang]

That's a fair house rule; however, since this is posted in the Rules and Such forum, I think it's worth pointing out that that IS a house rule. By RAW, there are Success Tests and then there are Opposed Tests; spotting a micro-sized object would be the former, while spotting a micro-sized object that is actively trying to hide would be the latter.

I also think it's worth pointing out that we do the same as k_night and Coyote at my table also, because otherwise spotting a drone that's running Stealth is just too easy.

Even within RAW there are opposed tests that also have a threshold.  Puppeteer comes to mind as an example.

You deserve a cookie for this 

However, the rules really could be clearer on these kind of tests.