[Sentinemodo]

corrected.

[Netzgeist]

Can I edit an admin account on the Principal node even being in the public area, or should I hack it first?

[Sentinemodo]

You need to hack at least user.

[Netzgeist]

Okay, will wait for the others, so.

[Sentinemodo]

While reading the rules yesterday, I encountered a sentence, that state that technomancers cannot thread autosofts, IC and agents.

I don't see a reason why it would be so. but that's because I think that technomancers complex forms are just threaded programs.
it is repeatedly used in the rules, that compelx forms are not typical programs - resulting in for example bionode being resistant to mundane hacking or sprites resistant to mundane spoof.

I'd like to houserule, that while different in the coding method, the technomancer creations are essentialy programs and as such there just isn't anything so special in them.
In that sense I see no reason that technomancer wouldn't be able to thread IC or agent (though it's much more efficient to compile a sprite that come with a set of programs, than to thread IC and then set of it's programs). I also see no reasons, why bionode or sprite should be mundane hacking/spoofing resistant if they stepped out of resonance. (I have a problem with Resonance, but I leave it for now). I also see no reasons why techno should be unable to thread autosofts (already being able to thread programs they have no idea about from scratch, is no different to creating autosofts - I amgine that the logic is automagicaly drawn from resonance where as we know every ever written piece of code is stored forever).

Your thoughts?

[Sichr]

to those autosofts, now I know why I had a bad feeling about it at the beginning.

[Sentinemodo]

You'll be posting in the IC or you delay?

[Sichr]

My vote would be to stick to rules in this matter
When talking about Autosofts. Lets say for example that CoverOps mouse threaded.
Something else is to thread Exploit complex form, program designated to deal with other programs, within the matrix, which is TMs field of work and life. Well Autosoft is basicaly designed to deal with meat world situations, and I can hardly imagine techno with no sneak skill to thread sneak program to be able to infiltrate corps buildings etc. Moreover you say every autosoft is specificaly designed for specific type of drone, so it may be far beyond matrixmagic.

IC when home, no desire to play at work lately 

[Larzarus]

As far as I understand, autosoft and Agents/IC work independent from the Technomancer. But for that, Technoc have their sprites.

So, I would say, stay with the rules and if a Technomancer wants autosoft, it has to compile a sprite and equip it with the fitting program/power.

[Sentinemodo]

But really, if techno has no Attack Complex Form can thread an Attack Complex Form from scratch and he can create it to the double of his resonance, which means rating 10 way beyond what most corps can produce.

He can do so, because he reaches into the resonance to find somewhere an attack program written to rating 10, which he weaves into his own code. and voila from zero to hero, he has rating 10 form on something he had no idea how to do. Going on that way, someone, somewhere, somewhen had written an autosoft for a specific drone type. it is all in the resonance.

and just to reinforce - a Machine Sprite can have any type of autosoft equipped and it is a complex form in that case. if a sprite can why not a technomancer?

[Larzarus]

As I see it, the threaded autosoft can only work in the technomancers head or within a sprite (working as a compiler from technomancer software to car comands).
Threaded software wouldn't work on its own on mundane hardware. So, a technomancer can thread autosoft, but can only load it in his head or to a spirit.

I think it is also impossible to upload a threaded complex form to a normal commlink. So the only case, for which autosoft should be usefully be threaded is when the technomancer has skillwires, move-by-wires or something like that, and load autosoft (walker) in his brain, so the autosoft walks his body through the wires while the techno is in VR.

[Sentinemodo]

And if he thread the form. And jump into the drone?

[Sichr]

Do as you please. Attack is Attack...SW designed to fight SW. Technomancers are not sprites and dont posess such powers, thats why they need to call sprites to do the job for them. Mages also cannot use Fear or Engulf....but this may be different story. IDN if there is maximum rating foer autosofts, well you can simply get every technomancer to have Steel Lynx drone or something worse with Autocanon, Maneuver 10, Targetting 10, Clearsoft 10, Coverops 10 and EW 10 and can continue to ask yourself why the game is a bit unbalanced

[Netzgeist]

The wat I see it is that the complex forms have nothing to do with programs, except that they may be used for the same function. So when a Technomancer thread that Attack CF, he does not exactly emulate an Attack program (he does not develop a code designed specifically to damage other code-based entities, but he rather concentrate his special way of thinking into reaching for codes in a more disruptive way). If that was not the case, I would have quite the difficult to justify why a TM wouldn't be able to use thread into upgrading a normal program.

Since agents, autosofts and IC are not exactly just another way to work in the code, but semi independent decision making entities (in the case of IC and Agents) or things designed to work beyond the "pure" Matrix, I would rule that TMs can't thread them, or learn them as CFs. So I'm with the book in this one.

The technomancer does not take the information to emulate the program from the Resonance (he may do that if he wants to steal the code of a program, but that would involve a trip to the Resonance realms, and even though he would not be able to thread the program).

[Sichr]

And if he thread the form. And jump into the drone?

If he is jumped in, no Autosofts come into play. On the other side, there may be the issue that no Pilot program is able to work with Technomancers complex forms, because of their different nature. Why Technomancer is not able to compile Agents, Pilots, IC but only Sprites, Resonance being, is a question on rules and setting. IMO it is cannon. And IMO it is because Agent/Pilot/IC are just stupid dogs, designed with the only purpose, while Sprites are like matrix spirits...maybe called fo some tasks, well Sentient.