[Sentinemodo]

You can go with Karmagen, and let's make them equivalent of 300 BP
I don't know the karmagen rules, and I need to prepare NPC as well, so this will be a good excercise for me too

I've experimented with Free Spirit creation, and I found that the base 400 BP wasn't anywhere near enough to have one that is anywhere near effective at anything.  Looks to me like it would take 600 to 700 to be effective. Interesting idea, but nowhere near enough points.

let's see what you come up with the 300 limit. we can always increase. I don't think I've ever seen a free spirit character ready to run.

[Netzgeist]

The thing is that Free Spirit costs 250 BP just as "metatype" cost... It would leave only 50 BP, which is absolutely nothing for them (as they are something in the same point as magicians, which need to pay BP for spells and the like).

They are pretty expensive to make.

[Sentinemodo]

ok, let's make them 400 BP

[All4BigGuns]

Even with 400, you might be able to get skills, but only if you stay at 2 in all attributes (couch potato, etc. sort of below average for metahumans), and you wouldn't be likely to have any spells or resources.

[Sentinemodo]

can anyone prepare a spirit with 400 BP so I could really see it? if it's that low, we will increase.

[Netzgeist]

Sent, if I can give another piece of advice, I would suggest doing things this way: Let us do Karmagen for creation (in karmagen rules, metatype costs are free), but lower the amount of karma for character generation according to the power level you want. This makes sense since all characters will be of the same "metatype", and it turns a bit easier for you to control to power scale.
I was toying with doing a 750 karma free spirit, and it turned out to be powerful, yet quite specialized and not uber-powerful.

I had written that, but you ninja'ed me. I will try doing a 400 BP free spirit. Give me an hour or so.

[All4BigGuns]

can anyone prepare a spirit with 400 BP so I could really see it? if it's that low, we will increase.

Just opened Chummer and started one. Chose Free Spirit and went to skills. After putting 2 ranks into Arcana, Assensing, Astral Combat and Spellcasting points already went to -17. Even taking the max negative qualities, you'd have zero contacts, spells, resources and the 2 in all attributes. Need to add at least 150 more for attributes and at least another 50 to 75 for all the other aspects.

Sent, if I can give another piece of advice, I would suggest doing things this way: Let us do Karmagen for creation (in karmagen rules, metatype costs are free), but lower the amount of karma for character generation according to the power level you want. This makes sense since all characters will be of the same "metatype", and it turns a bit easier for you to control to power scale.
I was toying with doing a 750 karma free spirit, and it turned out to be powerful, yet quite specialized and not uber-powerful.

I had written that, but you ninja'ed me. I will try doing a 400 BP free spirit. Give me an hour or so.

Go karma gen, and the interest I do have will be completely killed.

[Netzgeist]

Yes, pretty much what I've done, but without Chummer (does any of you got this problem with chummer when when you open a new free spirit character he just charges you 120 BP in primary attributes an 15 BP in special ones without you actually spending them?).

[All4BigGuns]

Yes, pretty much what I've done, but without Chummer (does any of you got this problem with chummer when when you open a new free spirit character he just charges you 120 BP in primary attributes an 15 BP in special ones without you actually spending them?).

Hmm...just noticed that. Weird...

[Sentinemodo]

I am not forcing any specific method of generation, but I want you to be comparable power.
Never tried Karmagen, never created free spirit on my own, so I have no actual experience.

I'll be able to say more, once I make my own homework.

[Sichr]

Ill try xls generator, worked well last time. Ill try 400 BP and also Karmagen so we can compare results. I know that All4 hates karmagen, well If anyone else creates playable character using karmagen, I hope we all will accept that it was his choice to use BP and it doesnt affect others

[All4BigGuns]

Kind of wanted to get into a second one, but if it's going to be an issue, screw it, I'll just wait until another one opens up. Dang.

[Sentinemodo]

It's an issue already?

Damn, that was fast, and nobody told me?

[All4BigGuns]

Just seemed like it was getting there, so I thought I'd cut it off before it actually became one. I did check, and it appears Chummer doesn't charge extra in the generation I despise, but I just can't do that type of generation.

*wonders why another -1 got hit for trying to head off issues*

[Sentinemodo]

Just seemed like it was getting there, so I thought I'd cut it off before it actually became one. I did check, and it appears Chummer doesn't charge extra in the generation I despise, but I just can't do that type of generation.

*wonders why another -1 got hit for trying to head off issues*

I am sure, none of the guys here did that.
Sichr never smite, I do but not this time, and neither Netz, nor Kour have any reason to do so. They've seen me discussing rules long enough to know I am not letting such discussion take over fun. You sure you aren't having any other threads open right now?

and anyway. I've just seen a 750 karmagenned spirit, and I think it's too strong for the adventure.
If you accept your creation being upgraded or downgraded by my subjective feeling go ahead and  create one with your preferred method.