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Murrdox

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« on: <03-14-12/1125:49> »
Love that the books are getting reprints - hopefully that means Shadowrun is still selling well!

I'm loving some of the new cover art for the books.  Wish I could update my dead tree versions.

Arsenal - Awesome new art.  Love it.  The old Arsenal art was just... terrible.  There were some issues with perspective in the cover illustration that just made the whole picture look... off.  This is definitely the biggest improvement, IMO.

Augmentation - I like the new cover, but I think i liked the old cover better.  The old cover just looked so badass.  I loved the look of the chomed-out razorgirl getting a tune-up.  It was a great piece of art.

Unwired - The original Unwired artwork again suffered from a tiny perspective issue... but overall I thought it was a great cover, and it was a great idea having the cover-art to the book be a first-person perspective of AR.  I think the new Unwired art is good but somewhat generic looking.  I think the original design was more inspired.

And as long as we're talking about art I have to mention the art for Attitude, which I thought was incredible, and perfect for the book.

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« Reply #1 on: <03-14-12/1154:00> »
I actually prefer the old Arsenal cover to some extent - the lighting is better, and it was reminiscent of the old-school Shadowrun art. I hated the old Augmentation cover (I recall complaining about it when the book was released) because the cheesy CGI art looked (and still looks) awful, in my opinion...I'm strongly considering replacing my Augmentation with a new copy.

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« Reply #2 on: <03-15-12/0713:17> »
Haha, two posts and two contradicting opinions - thats it when it comes to taste and art  ;D
To be more general and not focused on specific covers: i prefer realistic cover art because it reaches out to me more than some sketchy stuff. Sketchy stuff is what comic books are for. SR products should transport the feeling of the harsh SR world so the more realistic the cover is, the more atmosphere it transports to the customer - my opinion. So i hated the old augmentation and like the new more. I also do not like the HORIZON campaign covers, they feel like books for 12-year-olds...

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« Reply #3 on: <03-15-12/0943:21> »
"...not comic books, there graphic novels..." and yes this is what i actually herd from somebody, don't honestly get the difference

as for the art, i like the new looks for both of the books, prefered the first cover for arsenal over the second though

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« Reply #4 on: <03-15-12/1006:29> »
"...not comic books, there graphic novels..." and yes this is what i actually herd from somebody, don't honestly get the difference

as for the art, i like the new looks for both of the books, prefered the first cover for arsenal over the second though
The term "graphic novel" tends to get tossed around a lot, usually when people are referring to TPBs (Trade Paperbacks) - collections of a particular comic book. Theoretically this is accurate, since the collections are usually built around some kind of metaplot, but I think it's easiest to separate the terms by thinking of a graphic novel as a long-form standalone illustrated story, (take Persepolos, for example) that was never released in individual issues.

So by this logic, Watchmen is still a comic book; and most graphic novels tend to be non-superhero works.

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« Reply #5 on: <03-15-12/1209:04> »
Some of the campaign books have covers that are a little cartoony for my taste (i.e. The Twilight Horizon).  Corporate Guide looks a little cartoonish like this, so I'm not absolutely in love with the cover, but I love the book tons.

I love the cover for Corporate Intrigue.  I didn't understand the Jet Set cover art until I'd read the book, then I realized it was a graphical depiction of one of the missions from the book, and I thought "Ok, cool".

Any opinions on the cover of 6th World Almanac?  It's a great cover... but it's also REALLY strange looking.

Street Magic is still one of my favorite covers, along with the new cover for the 4th Edition Anniversary Edition (of course I have the BLACK version, but I still have the pretty box for the book).

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« Reply #6 on: <03-25-12/0410:28> »
I liked the old Arsenal cover...because, as said above, it reminded of old-style Shadowrun.
Also, it had an female Ork on the cover.

I liked the old Unwired cover because, hey, it was our first REAL look at what AR looks like.

I HATED the old Augmentation Cover. Not because the guy used Poser or DazStudio to do it...but because
he used stuff that was instantly recognizable from where it came, and used only stock versions. I mean, a SIMPLE
recolour could have done much better for the outfit. It was not that it was bad..but it was LAZY. Even worse was
I have seen people trying to say that it was NOT Poser/Daz, and that the stock item used were not what was used..

That said, the ones that I would consider buying new versions of: Augmentation and Unwired...I just..like the old Arsenal
cover too much to change..

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« Reply #7 on: <03-25-12/0745:45> »
Any opinions on the cover of 6th World Almanac?  It's a great cover... but it's also REALLY strange looking.

Huge fan of Echo's...though the Alamanc cover is her most abstract by far.

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Street Magic is still one of my favorite covers, along with the new cover for the 4th Edition Anniversary Edition (of course I have the BLACK version, but I still have the pretty box for the book).

Both Street Magic and Running Wild covers were done by the same artist (back in 2008 IIRC)...too bad we haven't seen more from him.

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« Reply #8 on: <03-26-12/1503:12> »
I was disappointed that Running Wild wasn't a hardcover.  It's a great meaty book and I think it deserved it.  I'm sure that it was kept softcover in order to keep the price down and get more sales, or something to that effect.  The cover art was incredible though.  Another one of my favorites.

Can someone clue me in on the original Augmentation controversy?  Mara makes it seem as if it was made using stock photography or something like that?  I don't quite get it.

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« Reply #9 on: <03-26-12/1510:41> »
Can someone clue me in on the original Augmentation controversy?  Mara makes it seem as if it was made using stock photography or something like that?  I don't quite get it.



Other than the ugly and obviouss CGI that looked like it was made in the late 1990s...?
The incredibly silly and "hypersexy" outfit worn by the woman I have always refered to as "Duchess Nukem," due to her shades and expressionless face...?
The monsterous goblin-things in the background that look like nothing ever depicted in Shadowrun...?
The terrible understanding of female anatomy on display by the artist...?

The cover of Arsenal was pretty bad too.
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« Reply #10 on: <03-27-12/0111:24> »
Can someone clue me in on the original Augmentation controversy?  Mara makes it seem as if it was made using stock photography or something like that?  I don't quite get it.

Poser, Carrera, and DAZ STudio(which are all mostly compatible, as well) use a system of models, and predone textures, colours, etc.
You can do alot with them, mind you, and if you are adventuresome, you can use a program called GIMP to make or modify models and textures.

The Orks there as well as the woman and her clothes were all pre-existing models. It looks like he used some morph injections to Stephanie Petite, since the hair and glasses were done for her, and had to do some work to adapt the outfit to fit, since it was made for
Aiko 3. At one time, I had actually, out of boredom, tracked down every component of that, and, frankly, there wasn't an originally created part, just an original composition.

Think of it like taking pictures of your dolls after you dress them up..that is essentially what is done for that sort of 3D Art...
That said..my issue is not that the artist used that. I dabble in it myself, and that cover is a bit beyond my skill and ability, so
I can appreciate that. He did superb lighting work, in fact. My issue, the thing that causes the disconnect for me is that the
outfit is not just stock, but default. He could have recoloured it, done something a little more then just getting it to fit the
model and calling it "done." Same with the hair. I can appreciate the work put into it, but...that so mucxh is recognizable as to
where it came from is what causes my issues with it.
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« Reply #11 on: <03-27-12/1137:40> »

Other than the ugly and obviouss CGI that looked like it was made in the late 1990s...?
The incredibly silly and "hypersexy" outfit worn by the woman I have always refered to as "Duchess Nukem," due to her shades and expressionless face...?
The monsterous goblin-things in the background that look like nothing ever depicted in Shadowrun...?
The terrible understanding of female anatomy on display by the artist...?

The cover of Arsenal was pretty bad too.

When it comes to art, everyone has their own opinion.  I think it looks like a great blend of pink mohawk and black leather trenchcoat play that are the two extreme "styles" of Shadowrun.  I actually like the hypersexy outfit mixed with the bulky cyberarm that has no fashion purpose whatsoever.

The monsters in the background definitely look like Orks to me.  I admit their ears are a little pointy and not all Shadowrun Ork art has Orks with pointed ears.

I almost laughed when I saw the cover art on the front page for "Damage Control".  I'm not sure if that was the response the artist was going for or not.  That is one surprised Ork.

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« Reply #12 on: <03-28-12/0440:52> »
Think of it like taking pictures of your dolls after you dress them up..that is essentially what is done for that sort of 3D Art...

Hey, that's exactly what the Cyberpunk v3 RPG did! Only using photographed Barbie dolls instead of CG.

Yeah, I don't know too many folks impressed with that either.



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« Reply #13 on: <03-29-12/0052:57> »
Think of it like taking pictures of your dolls after you dress them up..that is essentially what is done for that sort of 3D Art...

Hey, that's exactly what the Cyberpunk v3 RPG did! Only using photographed Barbie dolls instead of CG.

Yeah, I don't know too many folks impressed with that either.



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« Reply #14 on: <03-29-12/0725:49> »
Cyberpunk V3 is an atrocity, and its art is in the same category to me. With my friends I joke that I blame its existence and suck factor on the Halo franchise, since Mike Pondsmith stopped working on anything R. Talsorian related in order to work as a game designer at Bungie during the original Halo's development cycle.

Yeah, Shadowrun is much more grounded in basic reality. It's much easier for me to believe in a sequence of events leading to the balkanization of North America than in all humanity not being able to keep track of the simple passage of time over a span of less than a decade, and that's just the least offensive aspect to me. I'll stop there.  :-X
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