[bangbangtequila]

I'm going to be just fine, but I'm not dropping money on a team that wouldn't drop money on me. I'm also going to use some of my up front cash to double my supply of Novacoke and run it into the NAN to make some money. It's harder for them to get drugs then it is in Seattle, being a port city.

[All4BigGuns]

I guess I just don't think that any Johnson worth his salt would lowball that bad especially if he wants decent runners. I mean heck, numbers like that are what the newbies should be getting. Any runner equivalent of 400 points and above should be getting far more.

[SeriousOne338]

Low balling is the idea for this stage but you have the right idea to make some money. Also there is a possibility to make some real money later in the run.

[All4BigGuns]

The figure just isn't at the point (especially now that he's giving a deadline) that it's not really worth it. (The characters don't know about such possibilities other than the one who's making his own because he runs drugs.) Johnsons may not want to pay exorbitant, but they know when a figure is much, much too low for decent teams, otherwise they wouldn't be very successful.

[SeriousOne338]

remember where I wanted to start the game at. Right now I am working off some notes from campaign. I need to rework a lot.

[bangbangtequila]

Enh, 4500 is a little low considering he wants us to do international work. Realistically, at 4500, there is NO guarantee that we're coming back with that document if we get it. On the other hand, he is paying the team what, 22 500, so it's not like there isn't enough money to run repairs on the helicopter. Considering this is four days work, I wouldn't call it not worth the time. If it is, however, feel free to say no :p

[SeriousOne338]

Don't forget your other runner, Sichr has not shown yet. I figure he knows your smuggling ring Bang, so thats how he's going to show up shortly.

[All4BigGuns]

Enh, 4500 is a little low considering he wants us to do international work. Realistically, at 4500, there is NO guarantee that we're coming back with that document if we get it. On the other hand, he is paying the team what, 22 500, so it's not like there isn't enough money to run repairs on the helicopter. Considering this is four days work, I wouldn't call it not worth the time. If it is, however, feel free to say no :p

Exactly, at such low figures, there's a good chance (depending on what this document is) that someone else will be willing to pay far more for it, and the Johnson's attempt to save money just puts him on the bottom of the totem pole for actually getting it.

As well, I think my mind is going back to the last real life game I played where the GM just expected the first offer to be taken and the characters to be really happy they got anything at all. It's making me a bit snippy, for which I apologize.

[bangbangtequila]

That was really my main bargaining point. The fact that I can call on a national group's resources to get us in and out is worth a few Nuyen, because everyone has to get a piece or it isn't worth it. I have a contact that handles border patrols, but I can't imagine that getting a chopper through with these tensions for less then 1500, and that's based off our pay scale not what's realistic.

Bear in mind, this is set in a world where two things apply:
1) The Nuyen is more valuable then in many games
2) Work is scarce, and we aren't the good ones who get the good jobs. Supply and demand.

[SeriousOne338]

well you can try the bribe route or you can try the stealth route flying lowing and hoping to get past people.

[bangbangtequila]

I'm going to accept, because my character is In Debt up to his ears, and this will get rid of the threat of leg breaking for this month. Plus, the prospect of flipping two and a half thousand in drugs for a quick 1500 profit really turns my crank.

[SeriousOne338]

Dang and I was looking forward to breaking someones legs.  Just joking.

[Sichr]

I guess I just don't think that any Johnson worth his salt would lowball that bad especially if he wants decent runners. I mean heck, numbers like that are what the newbies should be getting. Any runner equivalent of 400 points and above should be getting far more.

Note that 400 BP runners are considered newbies
AND SINCE THIS WAS DECLARED AS LOW POWER CAMPAIGN...I dont see where you get the feeling that you can dictate the streets your demands...

[bangbangtequila]

Alright, I do have one quick query for the purpose of expediency, should I bother negotiating/rolling my Negotiation on it? Or is this a hardcap of what you're willing to give us. I'll take it if it is, but if I make a great argument can i earn that extra sum for me and mine?

[Sichr]

well, I guess the roll is in place, I just got the bad feeling that there is a tension to change everything GM says to something different...like low-powered campaign characters (lol, we have chopper and more restricted gear then KE SWAT unit)
But that was my last remark on this, I guess Serious knows what he is doing