[CanRay]

Deniable resources for deniable operations, however. 

[Nycidian Grey]

Yup

Also a game like that would be much more rigger friendly as in normal shadowrun some of the coolest toys are way beyond a shadowrunner price wise.

[CanRay]

Foreign T-Birds HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! 

[JustADude]

Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?    *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.

I never thought about this but it would be an interesting game where the premise is you have some semi experienced shadowrunners that for different reasons decide or are recruited into the UCAS military as a specialist "government shadowrun" military unit. I actually think after I get my feet wet playing a bit I'm going to run that campaign it would be rather fun I think. Imagine something like Mission Impossible or Division(Nikita) in the world of shadowrun. It wouldn't be as freelance as normal runs but you would also get more resources.

My suggestion here would be to give them something like 450 BP or 900 Karma. Allow a rank or two of initiation/submersion, but don't let them spend any BP/Karma on Nuyen. Instead, give them something like 250,000¥^* each for equipment and set the Availability cap at a flat 30 or 35, no Restricted Gear possible. Then, throw in "squad equipment" (vehicles and drones) and "consumables" (bullets, explosives, medkits, etc) for free as part of the unit's "operating budget".

That means that they, like the real Military, won't have to worry about the price-tag of the ordinance they're throwing down range, as long as they don't go overboard. Combine that with being able to skip the "baby steps" in gearing up, and that will put them squarely in the "Elite Commando" category, while still leaving them room to grow.

^*If anyone wants to play a Technomancer, the only type that gets kinda screwed by this starting arrangement, I'd probably let them "buy" extra BP/Karma (1 BP/Karma for  5,000¥/2,500¥) out of their gear budget since they're the only ones without much in the way of tech or Foci to buy.

[Cranstonvm]

Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?    *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.

I never thought about this but it would be an interesting game where the premise is you have some semi experienced shadowrunners that for different reasons decide or are recruited into the UCAS military as a specialist "government shadowrun" military unit. I actually think after I get my feet wet playing a bit I'm going to run that campaign it would be rather fun I think. Imagine something like Mission Impossible or Division(Nikita) in the world of shadowrun. It wouldn't be as freelance as normal runs but you would also get more resources.

I did a corporation version of this and it worked great I removed the resource priority and that was fun to watch them create whatever they think of. I was thinking Division game would be cool. MI teams would rule,especially if you had different people each game.

[Angelone]

Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?    *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.

I never thought about this but it would be an interesting game where the premise is you have some semi experienced shadowrunners that for different reasons decide or are recruited into the UCAS military as a specialist "government shadowrun" military unit. I actually think after I get my feet wet playing a bit I'm going to run that campaign it would be rather fun I think. Imagine something like Mission Impossible or Division(Nikita) in the world of shadowrun. It wouldn't be as freelance as normal runs but you would also get more resources.

My suggestion here would be to give them something like 450 BP or 900 Karma. Allow a rank or two of initiation/submersion, but don't let them spend any BP/Karma on Nuyen. Instead, give them something like 250,000¥^* each for equipment and set the Availability cap at a flat 30 or 35, no Restricted Gear possible. Then, throw in "squad equipment" (vehicles and drones) and "consumables" (bullets, explosives, medkits, etc) for free as part of the unit's "operating budget".

That means that they, like the real Military, won't have to worry about the price-tag of the ordinance they're throwing down range, as long as they don't go overboard. Combine that with being able to skip the "baby steps" in gearing up, and that will put them squarely in the "Elite Commando" category, while still leaving them room to grow.

^*If anyone wants to play a Technomancer, the only type that gets kinda screwed by this starting arrangement, I'd probably let them "buy" extra BP/Karma (1 BP/Karma for  5,000¥/2,500¥) out of their gear budget since they're the only ones without much in the way of tech or Foci to buy.

That is a cool idea. I might just try this sometime. +1 to you.

[Mirikon]

Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?    *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.

I never thought about this but it would be an interesting game where the premise is you have some semi experienced shadowrunners that for different reasons decide or are recruited into the UCAS military as a specialist "government shadowrun" military unit. I actually think after I get my feet wet playing a bit I'm going to run that campaign it would be rather fun I think. Imagine something like Mission Impossible or Division(Nikita) in the world of shadowrun. It wouldn't be as freelance as normal runs but you would also get more resources.

My suggestion here would be to give them something like 450 BP or 900 Karma. Allow a rank or two of initiation/submersion, but don't let them spend any BP/Karma on Nuyen. Instead, give them something like 250,000¥^* each for equipment and set the Availability cap at a flat 30 or 35, no Restricted Gear possible. Then, throw in "squad equipment" (vehicles and drones) and "consumables" (bullets, explosives, medkits, etc) for free as part of the unit's "operating budget".

That means that they, like the real Military, won't have to worry about the price-tag of the ordinance they're throwing down range, as long as they don't go overboard. Combine that with being able to skip the "baby steps" in gearing up, and that will put them squarely in the "Elite Commando" category, while still leaving them room to grow.

^*If anyone wants to play a Technomancer, the only type that gets kinda screwed by this starting arrangement, I'd probably let them "buy" extra BP/Karma (1 BP/Karma for  5,000¥/2,500¥) out of their gear budget since they're the only ones without much in the way of tech or Foci to buy.

Why wouldn't the technomancer just get a lot of drones? Machine sprite in military biodrones.

[JustADude]

Why wouldn't the technomancer just get a lot of drones? Machine sprite in military biodrones.

Oh, they would. Thing is, "Squad Equipment" isn't part of the 250,000¥ budget, and both drones and vehicles count as "Squad Equipment" since they're robotic support for the whole squad, even though one player controls them. That also means Rigger types (Machine Sprite + Drone = TechnoRigger) can use proper military-grade hardware.

Essentially, for a game like this your missions are going to end up divided between "Sensitive Situation" missions, where stealth and discretion are of the utmost importance, and "Assault" missions.

"Sensitive Situation" missions check the players because you can't use the really nasty toys without screwing the pooch.

"Assault" missions, on the other hand, are going to be the pinkest and most mohawk-y of Pink Mohawk scenarios. The kinds of scenarios where using a swarm of Chameleon-Coated Dragonfly C12 drones to blow up a building would be a reasonable course of action.

[Stry]

Also, Dunkelzahn won "by a narrow margin" over Kenneth Brackhaven, and there was as much as six candidates. So the dragon's actual result may have been anywhere from 50 to 20%.

Underworld, Shadowland v2.1 News (Page 7):

Here are the official election results, finalized by the UCAS gummint its own self. Dunkelzahn: 47,827,746 votes, or 37%. Brackhaven: 38,754,731 votes, or 30%. Vogel: 23,200,993 votes, or 18%. Yeats/Penchyk: 12,831,834 votes, or 10%. Hernandez: 5,054,964, or 4%. Booth: 1,166,530, or 1%. Other freaks and weirdoes got 777,687 votes. Click here for more useless breakdowns.

Also remember that election was a "special election" too, it was an election to fix the massive amount of e-vote tampering in the normal election.

The UCAS has the worst system possible for electing the President, a simple winner-take-all system based solely on the highest number of votes combined with six major political parties.

Anyway, it doesn't matter where he was born because the natural born citizen requirement isn't in the UCAS Constitution. However it applied to Dunkelzahn, it was made absolutely clear when Nadja Daviar became Vice President (and then President, maybe  ) because she was born in Estonia.

[Crimsondude]

Also remember that election was a "special election" too, it was an election to fix the massive amount of e-vote tampering in the normal election.

Indeed.

[Lacynth40]

Why wouldn't the technomancer just get a lot of drones? Machine sprite in military biodrones.

Oh, they would. Thing is, "Squad Equipment" isn't part of the 250,000¥ budget, and both drones and vehicles count as "Squad Equipment" since they're robotic support for the whole squad, even though one player controls them. That also means Rigger types (Machine Sprite + Drone = TechnoRigger) can use proper military-grade hardware.

Essentially, for a game like this your missions are going to end up divided between "Sensitive Situation" missions, where stealth and discretion are of the utmost importance, and "Assault" missions.

"Sensitive Situation" missions check the players because you can't use the really nasty toys without screwing the pooch.

"Assault" missions, on the other hand, are going to be the pinkest and most mohawk-y of Pink Mohawk scenarios. The kinds of scenarios where using a swarm of Chameleon-Coated Dragonfly C12 drones to blow up a building would be a reasonable course of action.

It'd be a real trip to have a couple of Sensitive missions go full-blown pink mohawk right in the middle, though. Possibilities include the teams cover gets blown, and they have to fight their way out. A previously sensitive hostage situation turns deadly as the hostages start getting killed at a rapid pace. (Which means the hostage takers don't need them anymore for SOME reason...) Or a simple recon mission to check on another countries labs becomes an emergency extraction. Some very fun possibilities, and those are just the most obvious. It would be fun. 

[Angelone]

Also remember that election was a "special election" too, it was an election to fix the massive amount of e-vote tampering in the normal election.

Indeed.

You say that like it was planned. That someone wanted a special election to happen.

[Black]

That I would believe.  I suspect Big D didn't vote tamper, he didn't need to and its not his style... but the revealling of the fraud, the continued instistence to this day of innocence from Booth... and a Dragon whose friends with Mr Nanosecond Buyout...

[Crimsondude]

Here's a lesson I learned many years ago on Shadowland, which became an iron-hard Law a week into law school:

 Never trust anyone who says "Indeed."

[Angelone]

How about indubitably?