[Longshot23]

>>>>> [Frag, I was nearly forgetting with all the recent craziness. A while back people may remember I did a run vs an Azzie guy apparently sending Sangre del Diablo trees to the Middle East. Came out of it with a file that needed translating. Long story short: got it translated, and there is (or was) a plan to spread S.d.D. trees around the Pacific Northwest, particularly in Tir Tairngire. Does this fit anything anybody else knows?
Maybe now I can get some sleep . . .] <<<<<

-- Longshot (04:27:00/09-01-2075)

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

>>>>>[ ... sounds like I'd put your 'druids' against the hermetic NDM or (especially!) the Scots and give 'sucker bet' odds, Siouxie. Seriously, druids whining about sacrificial magic at any of the 'Henges?  That's major 'wannabe' territory right there.  Sounds like a bunch of shamans who don't want to get associated with the NorAm style. ]<<<<<
          -- The Wyrm Ouroboros (10:00:00/09-01-2075)

[Silence]

>>>>>[I think their issue is along the lines of who's getting sacrificed.  If it's important enough for somebody to die for, then it's important enough for the person doing the casting to die for.  I don't think any of the magicians in the NDM have died for their beliefs, but a lot of other people have, and that's what rubs the locals raw.  They say it's got to do with a stain left behind that is a lot less when the caster sacrifices himself.  One guy who's been to England says that most of the NDM is more hermetic than druidic, so they need the blood to make their magic work, because they are using every aspect but the faith a druid should have.  I guess it's kind of like putting a Baptist and Episcopalian in a room, and asking them to get along when discussing religion.

That, or they just think the NDM is a bunch of assholes and are latching on any excuse to dislike them.]<<<<<
     --Siouxsie(12:32:20/09-01-75)

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

>>>>>[ Pretty much the entire NDM is hermetic, yeah.  The Scots, the Welsh, the True Irish (their term, not mine), and the Celtic Renewal are all non-hermetic 'true druid', and at the last check of my data, all of them sacrifice people who aren't in the casting circle - or even necessarily Awakened.  Your squatting-in-some-80%-toxic-grove-in-East-Redmond-thinking-happy-maxi-powerful-thoughts little pseudo-druidic group over there are also seriously self-deluded when it comes to who the NDM 'use' in their blood magic, because despite what you're giving us, a very, very large percentage of what little blood magic they use is - surprise surprise - voluntary.
          England isn't Aztlan; blood mages aren't hacking people apart as a matter of course; people (and by 'people' I don't mean only my people) would notice. So yeah - pretty sure I'm going to categorize your little Redmond group as tree-hugger druid-wannabes who are pouty and upset that actual druids aren't taking them seriously.  Sorry. ]<<<<<
          -- The Wyrm Ouroboros (02:45:00/09-02-2075)

[Kylen]

>>>>>[ Siouxsie, we can take care of ourselves. Ice is a heavily trained possesion mage warrior, and I can beat on spirits and defend myself. We have also both faced worse then angy plant spirits. (Not that any spirit should be taken lightly)]<<<<<

     -- Card (03:38:40/09-02-75)

[Mirikon]

>>>>>[Longshot, I want that file, now, if not sooner. I've sent you a private drop box you can send it to. If Azzies want to spread Diablos in the Tir, I know several people who will make those fraggers wish they'd never been born. Though you'd be surprised what can happen when a bunch of Azzie citizens are caught acting as 'subversives' in the Tir, and are deported by suborbital back to Tenochtitlan. So many accidents that can happen, causing a suborbital to crash into pyramid-shaped buildings.]<<<<<

--Iceblade (08:09:23/09-02-75)

[Silence]

>>>>>[Ouroborous, Siouxsie's new, so he doesn't get that in a lot of ways, there's a fundamental split between the grove and the clan.  The grove really is a lot like the Wiccans you just described.  Peace, love, harmony,  and understanding.  Nice people, really, REALLY nice people but seriously lacking in real-world experience.  The clan is mostly the younger people who aren't content to sit there and wish really, really hard for a better world.  They'd rather go out and do something about it.

You see, once upon a time, there were two groves in the area.  The older of the two was the wish real hard to make the world a better place bunch.  The younger was the people who went out into the world, and have become unofficial experts on the bad things out there, and wanted to put a permanent end to them.  One got hit, and had a good chunk of their people wiped out by toxics.  The other, founded by Uath and his uncle took in the survivors, and went hunting the toxics.  After a bit, the peace-loving guys managed to get an idea going that the more violent folks had no place in the grove.  So, they managed to create enough pressure internally that it was either going to end in bloodshed or they were going to be left helpless.  So, the clan was formed, and anyone who wanted to do good deeds and kick bad guy hoop went with Uath into the clan.  The small remainder stayed in the "official" grove.

The grove does have a lot of knowledge packed into their pointy little heads, but they let their politics influence their views a bit too much.  These are the folks who didn't understand why so many people left the Ork Underground after it became an official district of Seattle.  Unfortunately, they tend to look the part of the wise all-knowing druid a bit to well, so I can understand why Siouxsie might have gone to them for some answers.

The clan is really centered more around the families of the members, and going out into the real world and doing things to either make sure a danger doesn't come to them, or earn some nuyen to supplement what we have.  Uath was running the shadows for years to feed the old grove, before he and his uncle founded the younger grove.  Hell, quite a few of the clan do shadow work to feed everyone.  A bit back, we had a Sioux come through, all puff and bluster.  Members of the Grove backed off, "respecting his culture."  Most members of the clan gave back as good as they got, and in one case, a troll flicked the Sioux's nose to make a point about visitors being polite.  Now, whenever the Sioux's family needs a certain kind of expert, they go to the clan, and not the grove.  They might not like many of us, but they seem to respect us more than the grove.

Is the Grove full of dirt-worshiping tree-huggers?  Yes, I have to say you're dead on about that.  Is the clan?  Not really.  But then, we don't seem to get a lot of access to knowledge that the folks in the grove get.  But we get a few converts, and know how to keep our mouths shut about some topics.]<<<<<
     --Sanctity Rose(11:12:00/09-02-75)

[Longshot23]

>>>>> [Okay, Iceblade, sent the original and the translation that I have to the drop box. Who knows, your resources might find something more from the original - some nuance or whatever that my translator missed. I suspect that the Azzies have put this on hold because they're probably - not definitely - aware that the original file got ripped from their guy. You never know though - someone in ACI might be driving this forward.
Related topic: there's been mention of Domingo Chavez, of the AZT board, being the driving force behind getting back into Denver. Has there ever been anyone likewise associated with getting into the Tir? I'm aware of the Azzie classification of both Tirs, and Amazonia, as "hostile powers".] <<<<<

-- Longshot (11:07:16/09-02-2075)

[Silence]

>>>>>["One Social Distortion vinyl album from the painted elven jackass who stole it from me rather than asking for help on a job."  Um, after an old talk, why do I get the feeling I should tell Uath to get that himself?]<<<<<
     --Siouxsie(10:57:48/09-03-75)

[SpyroD]

>>>>>[Ahoy Chummers! Seems something is moving again in East Europe. As far as my infos goes seems that Alchemix, Mitsuhama, Manadyne and a bunch of other low ranked local corps get involved in something around Tatra Mountains, Slovakia side. I heard Alchemix sent a Runner team some point south of that range in the Zone of Exclusion the Slovak Army (and its mercs) set up some time ago against the Polish guerrillas border trespass. Rumors their was on something and abruptly all the comms went lost. Our Old Friend MCT is taking things seriously and sending some asset there and that isn't runners or not only runners. For those who don't know or remember that is one of the zone where the so called Wavel Dragon, Calozerca, a Dragon no one have seen for a decade, is said to have a lair.To be more precise there a bit out of Calozerca zone and he never interested to the south side of those mountain, something don't sound right. There is too much dragon interested parties around plus Big Corp drek  and that all of sudden. Feel free to dig there, there is some valuable paydata around for sure and something strange around. I'm around to know more, all speculation welcomed]<<<<<
     -- SpyroD (17:49:42/09-11-2075)

[Chrona]

>>>>>[Took me a few days to get back from the 162s trouble, sorry for the absence Ice, hope you and my sister played nice. Looks like the plants are pissed off, had to banish one while i was out there, Dogmeat kept it in astral with fire, his specialty, which meant the ghouls could just tear into it without worrying about gas clouds. I do not like how many of us are running into them, there's obviously a connection. i guess it could be me, i did make some my enemy years ago and plant spirits aren't fast movers.]<<<<<

--Chrona (19:58:22/09-11-75)

[Wolfboy]

>>>>>[Welcome to the board SpyroD, eastern Euro, news to me but i dont send my teams outside NA without extremely good reason. As for MCT, well i'll do some digging but i dont know what i will come up with if anything, they've been pretty low key i think for the last few years. Not that they arent a pain, but they havent been after me and mine. or at least not anything that comes to mind.

Chrona, good to hear you back. watch out for the plants all the same, dont want them eating friends.]<<<<<

Wolfgar (14:42:52/09-11-75)

[Silence]

>>>>>[Okay, had to make a stop at Las Vegas for some travelling money.  And it seems I'm not allowed back to a couple finer establishments.  It also seems that they've forgotten about three card monte there, so I'm probably going to be avoiding the PCC for a bit.  Can scratch "Egg a room full of flying Elvii" off the list.  Next up is.....driving around Chicago in an old police car wearing a cheap black suit......Okay, this list is just freaking bizarre.  Then on to the lands of my forefathers, on the shores of Eerie....

This list is just weird.]<<<<<
     --Siouxsie(19:14:30/09-11-75)

[Wolfboy]

>>>>>[Suggestion for you, if your gonna drive around Chi-town, do drive AROUND it. Stay out of the containment zone, it is not a safe place. In fact it makes walking into a feral ghoul nest with nothing on but your skivvies and a jacket made of pork chops seem like a walk in the park.]<<<<<

--Wolfgar(19:35:35/09-11-75)

[Silence]

>>>>>[Not planning to go anywhere near the Containment Zone.  Unless that's where to get a real Chicago deep dish pizza is.  Don't know what that is, but it sounds good.  Of course, I also don't know how to drive......]<<<<<
     --Siouxsie(19:40:10/09-11-75)