[Crimsondude]

Are there any relevant news of Lung, Ryumyo and Shan (member of the executive council of Hong Kong)?

Indirectly.

Any idea, why Lung and Ryumyo are not part of the articles within the appropriate section of the book? I do understand about Shan. He's a small-timer. But the other two are majoer player's, aren't they?

They haven't taken sides in the Hestaby-Lofwyr conflict, and other than that ... Can't say.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Any idea, why Lung and Ryumyo are not part of the articles within the appropriate section of the book? I do understand about Shan. He's a small-timer. But the other two are majoer player's, aren't they?

They haven't taken sides in the Hestaby-Lofwyr conflict, and other than that ... Can't say.

Yes, they have.  Though granted, that isn't in the article...

Remember, kiddies, read the stories too.  In some cases, the stories give as much info as the articles do ...

[CanRay]

In some cases, they give far, far more. 

[Ethan]

That boardroom scene really shows Lofwyr trying very hard to not have the other dragons go after Hestaby.

Was it in Conspiracy Theories that the JackPointers posited that Lofwyr and Hestaby were in collusion? Or am I just misinterpreting things and there's real animosity between the Orange and Gold lizards?

[PrudentPanda]

They haven't taken sides in the Hestaby-Lofwyr conflict, and other than that ... Can't say.

Yes, they have.  Though granted, that isn't in the article...

Remember, kiddies, read the stories too.  In some cases, the stories give as much info as the articles do ...

Thank you very much for your answers. Hope, there'll be more infos on them some time.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

That boardroom scene really shows Lofwyr trying very hard to not have the other dragons go after Hestaby.

Was it in Conspiracy Theories that the JackPointers posited that Lofwyr and Hestaby were in collusion? Or am I just misinterpreting things and there's real animosity between the Orange and Gold lizards?

That's the theory, but Lofwyr was fairly specific as to why violence against Hestaby was not appropriate, while possible violence against Alamais was.  So yeah - Lofwyr is in a challenge position against Hestaby, but when it boils down to it, both of them are against the way Alamais is treating GeMiTo as his personal humans-hunting-grounds.

I'd be willing to bet ... well, never mind.  But it winds up with Sirrug in prison and Alamais interred.

[Mirikon]

Not that Golden Snout has ever needed a reason for violence against his little brother...

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Yes, but not lethally - obviously.  After all, even a rabid dog has its uses, so long as it's being rabid in someone else's back yard.

[Wakshaani]

That boardroom scene really shows Lofwyr trying very hard to not have the other dragons go after Hestaby.

Was it in Conspiracy Theories that the JackPointers posited that Lofwyr and Hestaby were in collusion? Or am I just misinterpreting things and there's real animosity between the Orange and Gold lizards?

The boardroom scene had a LOT of layers in it. Aden and Lofwyr are not on the best of terms, as you could see from the constant tugging. Lofwyr the Loremaster requires respect and deferrence, but Lofwyr-who-crapped-in-Aden's-backyard, not so much. Aden's at the foot of the table, given less status than the lesser dragons there as a direct insult. Lofwyr's right and left claws are giving advice, but clearly aren't on the same page as he is. There's a LOT of strife showing there, and there's going to be a ton of favors and markers called up. This whole affair is COSTLY, and it shows.

Mind you, I'm an L5R fan, so I get goosebumps whenever someone's using a soft hand to demolish someone politely. There're at least five power plays going on in the boardroom, some of which aren't being discussed in words. You might also take note of who ISN'T sitting around the table. Silence can speak volumes.

And look! Arleesh! In a speaking role! Woohoo!

At some point, Lofwyr is going to have to put on a dominance display. I don't know who he'll target with it,  or what form it'll take, but sometime in the not-so-distant future, he's going to have to break out his inner Godzilla and show the other dragons why he's the boss. If he doesn't, he'll have much bigger problems than Hestaby, Alamais, and Sirrug.

[Mirikon]

Didn't he do that already with Nachtmeister? That's just a moment ago, by draconic standards.

But yeah, at some point, there is going to be a battle between Lofwyr and another dragon. Personally, I want to see a three-way brawl between Ghostwalker, Lofwyr, and the Jester's Army over Denver.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

The Jester's Army = ... ??  Are we talking Harlequin, here?  Any way you mix-master that, pretty much you'd see Ghostwalker and Lofwyr teaming up to destroy that which is attacking them, possibly with Saeder-Krupp military assistance - and only THEN would you have the hoe-down between Ghostwalker and Lofwyr.

[Ethan]

We don't know more about the "hostile takeover" of a weapons satellite, do we?

Just a theory: a dragon did it. As in, they sponsored the run. First, it hit Aztechnology. Second, it forced the Corporate Court justices to take Thor shots off the table for the time being--the biggest sticks metahumanity has to swing at the dragons.

Also, since I'm laying out unsubstantiated rumours here, what are the chances that the whole Lofwyr / Hestaby thing is due to mating? Lofwyr makes a point that he considers Hestaby worth saving because she's a female and can still produce eggs. The counter argument is that the capacity to bring new dragons into the world has never been factored into life / death decisions and that Hestaby has chosen not to have kids this cycle.

I think Lofwyr wants to have babies with Hestaby.

He's wily, she's magical, and their kids would be some weird burnt orange/gold shade probably. Copper scaled? Anyway, yeah. It explains the rather restrained moves and Lofwyr's reluctance.

[CanRay]

My group is laying bets as to the decision over the fact that this is a war of conflict, or a mating ritual.

[Longshot23]

The Lofwyr-Hestaby mate match was proposed in the fiction piece at the end of Survival of the Fittest. FYI.

[lurkeroutthere]

RE: Thor shots being out of play.

As of late I've been trying very hard not to comment one way or another on a lot of SR work, because frankly I'm a bit close to some of the people involved and actually as of this writing have my own couple of bits of work that I'm frantically pounding on trying to get into shape.. That's not to say that all my comments would be negative, far from it, I've very much enjoyed some of the books that have come out lately. Having said that:

I'm already kind of hating Clutch of Dragons

Now i've always been kind of ambivalent on dragons as a plot device in part because they skew the setting so horribly towards the magic side of things. Frankly only in a world where firearms, fighter jets, tanks, and other assorted military hardware so inexplicably weak does the current plot sort of work. I've always chalked some of this up as a conscious and direct decision to keep stuff that might reasonably fall into PC hands down to a certain level. It's not a decision process I agree with but I can certainly see the merits of it.

But now for reasons of "plot" the Thor shots are suddenly offline, a to my knowledge one paragraph item invented for the sole purpose of "why does someone not ruin our Earthdawn love affair with a modern age weapon." suddenly they are offline. Can anyone point me to any pre-existing mention or cause for this? Someone hacking and re-purposing space based weaponry (there was the Pulsar incident, but I thought that had more or less been swept under the rug) should pretty much be a setting changing event, because it means things that were previously more or less beyond the realm of hacking, air traffic control, nuclear reactors, thor shots, are suddenly vulnerable.

I keep trying to come up with a less caustic way to write this but the thought that keeps running through my head as I'm reading the book basically boils down to this. Some of you may realize this is not a new complaint for me, but it's never been this acute.:

I'm really kind of disappointed that at some point Shadowrun stopped being it's own game with it's own identity and became just the future of Earthdawn. I'm actually saddened that the technological side of the house the chrome, the matrix, the transhumanistic elements have all just become set pieces so we can do this draconic plot and the artifacts plot.

There I got that off my chest, i feel better.