[CanRay]

Hey!  I'm the non-serious conspiracy nut here! 

[Sichr]

That was just a test, I wanted to see which part of my post  you would pick;)
I know dragons are smart and you are still missing some other points of my posts...aka. those that are not so easily oposed

Ive gived up serious argiumentats on this topic a few posts ago, now Im just havin (bad and sad) fun

No, we're not missing anything.  Mostly, what you're saying is self-defeating, so we're mostly ignoring your ... well, apparently non-serious arguments.  So at this point?  *ignore*

Argument invalid...again. First you target my english grammar, with nothing specific in mind, so I dont know what I have to correct or do better. Now you, again, fail to respond anything specific. Also, I love your use of the word "we". Who are you...the Legion? Wyrms are many? We, runners of the world? We, everyone on Forums? We, people connected to the product? Feel free to ignore, since you have nothing else to offer. And dont forget to tell everyone
kids these days 

For the Capostrenos reference...When the discussion on GeMiTo begun, Ive re-readed related Feral Cities chapter...just to be sure that when I say something, I would be able to back that with cannon. Is it too much to expect the same from others?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

... ad hominem attacks?  I told you - in a response to a now-edited post - that you were making no sense.  You just said that your questions weren't serious.  Your post in regards to the communications network was filled with hyperbole - including, but not limited, to your question about the Capotrenos.  Permit me:

Also, it would be hard to believe that Capotrenos are working with flashlights and morse code. And also, it would be hard to believe, that there are no technomancers born or emerged in GeMiTo.

This is not something I'm going to respond to; it carries with it nothing but sneering sarcasm, offense, and pugnaciousness.  You don't want to be convinced, you want to attack, make fun of, and otherwise show how you're better.  I don't care if you think I'm better or not; I grok how the SR world works, and I'm willing to listen to other points of view.

GeMiTo is a cesspit, one in which at least thirteen dragons (one Great, the rest adult) are hunting metahumanity as food.  Anyone living in GeMiTo is more concerned about living through the day, more concerned about not getting shot and making it to dinner-time (and having something to eat for dinner!!) than they are about a chance that they will be the one among the 33,000+ people who gets eaten that day.  300 meals a day - compare to how many people get shot???

As I've stated before, the dragon-feeding thing is only interesting - or shocking - in the aggregate, and in the fact that it's happening.  That it didn't get out for a lousy six months isn't even questionable.  Here, let me give you something about a very similar sort of incident - in recent times - in very similar circumstances to those in GeMiTo:

In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti Pygmies, told the UN's Indigenous People's Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals. Both sides of the war regarded them as "subhuman" and some say their flesh can confer magical powers. Makelo asked the UN Security Council to recognise cannibalism as a crime against humanity and an act of genocide.

Understand that the Second Congo Civil War took place from 1998 to 2003, and people didn't know about this until someone came out to the UN.  You think six months of 300-a-day depradations, when they've got toxics, bug spirits, paranaturals, and casual violence to worry about, is going to raise an insane panic among the people???

[Sichr]

I thought that this media gag order was imposed because corporations want to avoid panic that would spread if the situation become public knowledge. So yes, I think this situation would raise insane panic...or at least powerholders of the 6th world believe so.

[Nath]

In fact, Feral City is is talking about heavily guarded operating corporate bases inside that area. Hard to believe that dragons would show any exceptionnsfor those instalations...that would mean showing the weakness, fear or respect to metahumans...

Except that dragons are also smart, Sichr. Even in the Earthdawn days, they didn't go around flying into heavily armed camps for a snack. Why bother, when there are plenty of other cattle near at hand, who don't have HMGs handy?

According to The Clutch of Dragons, "several AA corporations are sending representatives to Saeder-Krupp, pleading with, and in some cases demanding, that the widespread attacks on the sprawl be stopped." If no corporate holdings have been attacked, you got to wonder why would AA megacorporations would bother. Also tell us the information obviously got out, even if it didn't reach the medias.

As I've stated before, the dragon-feeding thing is only interesting - or shocking - in the aggregate, and in the fact that it's happening.  That it didn't get out for a lousy six months isn't even questionable.  Here, let me give you something about a very similar sort of incident - in recent times - in very similar circumstances to those in GeMiTo:

In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti Pygmies, told the UN's Indigenous People's Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals. Both sides of the war regarded them as "subhuman" and some say their flesh can confer magical powers. Makelo asked the UN Security Council to recognise cannibalism as a crime against humanity and an act of genocide.

Understand that the Second Congo Civil War took place from 1998 to 2003, and people didn't know about this until someone came out to the UN.

But as early as August 1998 or so, governements and medias and the Catholic Church knew there was a war going on, who was involved, the pro-government forces and the Rwanda-backed forces, and that people get killed. Then, yes, nobody outside knew the detail people got eaten before 2003.

But where do you draw the parallel? Governments and medias and the Catholic Churc should know there are militias/dragons inside Congo/Gemito that kill dozens of people everyday, less than a month after the campaign started, and it's just the fact that they eat those people that won't be known before several years has passed?

[Sengir]

Here, let me give you something about a very similar sort of incident - in recent times - in very similar circumstances to those in GeMiTo:

In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti Pygmies, told the UN's Indigenous People's Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals. Both sides of the war regarded them as "subhuman" and some say their flesh can confer magical powers. Makelo asked the UN Security Council to recognise cannibalism as a crime against humanity and an act of genocide.

Understand that the Second Congo Civil War took place from 1998 to 2003, and people didn't know about this until someone came out to the UN.

That is one possibility of how public attention can work. On the other hand, an influential or flashy personality can't fart in the wrong direction without making headlines. Dragons are powerful and flashy...

[Nath]

As I'm advancing into The Clutch of Dragons, an additional relevant quote from "The War Room" short story. Lofwyr is speaking to an assembly of dragons : "[Alamais and his followers] also have spurned an invitation for an audience with me to discuss matters. I have asked that he and his followers cease the unabashed feeding frenzy they have so blatantly displayed within GeMiTo, where they have put on a public display for the world to witness and resent. [...] Yesterday along my offices in Essen received another hundred calls from local business leaders and government officials calling for swift action to stop the violence that is being perpetrated on those metahuman citizens in GeMiTo."

[Sichr]

just LOL

[Black]

Thanks nath.

[Mirikon]

Here, let me give you something about a very similar sort of incident - in recent times - in very similar circumstances to those in GeMiTo:

In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti Pygmies, told the UN's Indigenous People's Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals. Both sides of the war regarded them as "subhuman" and some say their flesh can confer magical powers. Makelo asked the UN Security Council to recognise cannibalism as a crime against humanity and an act of genocide.

Understand that the Second Congo Civil War took place from 1998 to 2003, and people didn't know about this until someone came out to the UN.

That is one possibility of how public attention can work. On the other hand, an influential or flashy personality can't fart in the wrong direction without making headlines. Dragons are powerful and flashy...

Yes, but the news outlets want to report on celebrities. In this case, the people in charge have likely been told, in no uncertain terms, how very much they should not want to report on things, especially if they enjoyed luxuries like breathing.

[Sichr]

This circle is white

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

This circle is white

I'm sorry, I don't understand - what is your point, here?

[Black]

1984 reference? When 4 is 5 type stuff? The truth is what we tell you it is?
That said, obviously the newsd did get out despite the grand corporate and co conspiracy. See the quote from Naths post above.

[Mirikon]

1984 reference? When 4 is 5 type stuff? The truth is what we tell you it is?
That said, obviously the newsd did get out despite the grand corporate and co conspiracy. See the quote from Naths post above.

Close, but no cigar, Black. That quote means that business leaders and government officials in GeMiTo are calling the S-K office in Essen looking for Lofwyr to smack his brother around again. It doesn't mean that people at large are reacting to it, or know there's a feeding frenzy on.

[Wakshaani]

Of course, Lofwyr's kind of busy, what with Sirrurg doing what he just did, Hestaby attacking S-K holdings, EuroCorps probing his defenses to see if he's getting distracted from his day job while being the Loremaster, and, oh yeah, Alamais chomping on long pig.

Turnsout that holdingdown  two jobs is kinda hard.