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« on: <04-18-16/1729:05> »
It occured to me that a control rig was similar to a neurohelmet in Battletech.

Why are there no rigger mech suits? 
Or do I just not have that book?
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« Reply #1 on: <04-18-16/1734:53> »
You mean elemental/battle armor?
There are milspec armors in Run & Gun, but they aren't powered more than necessary to move their own weight and don't need rigger interface.

If you want to pilot a mech... that's actually doable. You need Rigger 5 and add arms and legs to a car and install a bunch of weapon mounts.

But a neuro helmet is actually more like a trode net, allowing you to control your vehicle in AR/VR
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« Reply #2 on: <04-18-16/1749:12> »
If you're thinking like the power lifter from Aliens, or an exoskeleton thing, there was mention of why that tech wasn't popularized in the SR4 book Attitude, if memory serves. I think it was mentioned in the description of the Iron Will (again, I think) that tech like artifical muscles made bulky, expensive tech like an exoskeleton obsolete.

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Yep, Attitude is what I was thinking of:
Quote from: Attitude page 153
Manhattan’s unionized dockworkers used the Iron Will hydraulic exoskeleton when they were loading and unloading cargo in the early ‘30s and ‘40s. It’s kind of like a manservant drone, but you wear it. As the prices of augmentations and drones dropped, things like the Iron Will became less popular, and now there’s maybe two hundred still in use. Street artist Christopher Guidry, or “Gee Man,” has been remodeling them into a more intimidating, metahuman-shaped skeletal structure, complete with skullcap and welded ribcage. In some versions, chemical reaction-created steam is used to operate the actuators, mainly for the cool effect of having steam wafting around you.

For what it's worth, I created house rules for exoskeleton like the ones seen in Elysium. Full details here.

In terms of mechs, I guess anthroform drones are the closest thing you'll get. You could always supersize them and ride inside of one as a house rule.
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« Reply #3 on: <04-18-16/2107:48> »
I could easily see a combat rigger modding an iron will to be an offensive powerhouse. Add armor, upgrade handling and speed, and weapon mounts, upgrade vehicle/drone arms. Next thing you know light mecha!!
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #4 on: <04-18-16/2130:49> »
You... could always do a search for the pre-Street Grimoire thread about an Iron Man suit on these forums...
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« Reply #5 on: <04-19-16/0014:21> »
 ;D Mecha suits!!
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #6 on: <04-19-16/0120:27> »
Believe me, the day that they get greenlit, the day I'm ALL OVER THAT ACTION.

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« Reply #7 on: <04-19-16/0140:36> »
Any chance 5e will see superficial cybernetics reprinted?

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« Reply #8 on: <04-19-16/0157:03> »
Any chance 5e will see superficial cybernetics reprinted?

Define superficial.

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« Reply #9 on: <04-19-16/0332:54> »
As in 4e Spy Games' reduced cost, reduced functionality, non-invasive and removable cyberlimbs.

"Collect all six parts to make ersatz Iron Man", effectively. Without the flying, weapons, or as much armour.
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« Reply #10 on: <04-19-16/0912:43> »
Ares actually build a BattleMech for Desert wars.
(which was quickly pointed out to be completely useless in modern combat, but hey, it looks cool.)

Otherwise the problem with mech suits would be, overpowered in game , completely unreasonable for a runner to have(way to expensive and state-of-the-art Military equipment), and any Runner who somehow got one would end up with a massive manhunt against him. It would be like using a tank or something, if you run around with that, corps are gonna take you seriously, which is bad because they have an entire army and you don't.

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« Reply #11 on: <04-19-16/0931:42> »
Have you read/looked at the harden mil-spec armor out of Run and Gun? Minus the jets and built in weapons the are iron man suits.
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #12 on: <04-19-16/0938:47> »
Believe me, the day that they get greenlit, the day I'm ALL OVER THAT ACTION.

Bubblegum Crisis is my totem animal. :D

oh such and awesome series and two!


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« Reply #13 on: <04-19-16/1304:29> »
Have you read/looked at the harden mil-spec armor out of Run and Gun? Minus the jets and built in weapons the are iron man suits.

I ... might have had something to do with those hardsui... err ... hardened suits.

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« Reply #14 on: <04-19-16/1412:46> »
It occured to me that a control rig was similar to a neurohelmet in Battletech.

BattleTech, and no. Control rigs are not similar to BattleMech Neurohelmets at all. With a control rig, you can jump into a drone/vehicle and pilot it. With an Neurohelmet...you fine tune the stability of the 'Mech while it is moving. If you're looking for more of a 1:1 match up you should be looking at BattleTech's Enhanced Imaging system. But even that has its differences, in BattleTech the pilots have to go on a pharmacological regime to slow the eroding of their sanity. A Clan MechWarrior with the EI system rarely lasts a decade.
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