NEWS

Best pistol in the game?

  • 220 Replies
  • 90865 Views

Carmody

  • *
  • Errata Team
  • Ace Runner
  • ***
  • Posts: 1726
« Reply #45 on: <10-19-11/1100:09> »
Gun Books:

SR4A
Arsenal
WAR!
MilSpecTech

Plus Gun Heaven (or better Runners Black Book)
My profile picture is a crop of Alfredo Lopez Jr  Mickey/Wolverine.

UmaroVI

  • *
  • Prime Runner
  • *****
  • Posts: 2655
« Reply #46 on: <10-19-11/1123:33> »
So "best one-handed weapon for pure offense, not caring about concealability" and you want it to not just be for SnS spam. The answer to that actually depends on your character, because of how recoil compensation works, but it will be some variety of SMG.

What is your strength score?

Are you OK with being dependant on wearing a gyromount?

Do you have a cyberarm or cyberhand with a cyberarm gyromount?

Do you have foot anchors?

Tsuzua

  • *
  • Omae
  • ***
  • Posts: 633
« Reply #47 on: <10-19-11/1211:08> »
SR4A is the Anniversary Core Rulebook.  Since that's the only book you have, I'll just use it and it alone.  Arsenal changes the choices due to more gun options and the ability to mod firearms.  If you're okay with using Arsenal and other books's stuff, then Umaro's Archetypes are a must read for anyone new to SR character building and have lots of guns premodded and stated for your use.

Does your group use Stick n Shock rounds?  They change firearm evaluations since they replace base damage and AP.  From what I can tell, you don't use SnS rounds so I'm going to ignore them.

SR favors BF and FA fire especially if you can reach the RC thresholds of 5 or 8.  Therefore you should look at firearms that use BF or FA.  Recoil Compensation (RC) is hard to find with the SR4A, but Gas Vent 3 + Shock Pad 1 gets you 4 and that's BF with only -1 die on the second shot.  Getting a gyromount cyberlimb accessory puts you a 7 which is just short of 8 for FA fire.  But that's an illegal cyberlimb accessory so you may or may not be able to use it.

There are a couple of burst firing pistols that aren't machine pistols.  The only one in the main book is the Fubuki, but it's a wonder.  A BFing Fubuki does 6P -0 AP versus a heavy pistol's 5P -1 AP base.  Since +1 DV is better than -1 AP, the Fubuki is better than any random heavy pistol.  Recoil is nearly nil with its built in folding stock which is quite handy.  The Warhawk isn't useful since it's SS which means you can't fire twice in a pass (unless you mod or dual wield).

With just SR4A, machine pistols are less concealable Fubukis that have FA fire. 

SMG have +1 DV over the Fubuki and the option for FA fire.  The best is the HK227 due its oddly restricted but not forbidden sound suppressor.  The Ingram Smartgun has a deeper clip, but you can't remove the Gas Vent 2 unless you use the mod rules so the HK227 wins out by being able to get +1 RC.  If your GM knows how guns work, he might not let you use a sound suppressor and gas vent together, but that rule doesn't show up till Arsenal.
« Last Edit: <10-19-11/1213:03> by Tsuzua »

Deliverator

  • *
  • Chummer
  • **
  • Posts: 236
« Reply #48 on: <10-19-11/1236:51> »
I don't know how helpful foot anchors would be on a motorcycle...

UmaroVI

  • *
  • Prime Runner
  • *****
  • Posts: 2655
« Reply #49 on: <10-19-11/1240:56> »
Good point, in this case foot anchors wouldn't help.

KarmaInferno

  • *
  • Ace Runner
  • ****
  • Posts: 2020
  • Armor Stacking Cheese Monkey
« Reply #50 on: <10-19-11/1306:03> »
Bolt a heavy duty gyroscope to the motorcycle.

AND NOW YOU HAVE A MOTORCYCLE THAT CAN'T MAKE TURNS! WHEE!




-k

CanRay

  • *
  • Freelancer
  • Mr. Johnson
  • ***
  • Posts: 11141
  • Spouter of Random Words
« Reply #51 on: <10-19-11/1348:19> »
Colt Cobra is a nice one as well, and Bullpup, so easy to handle one-handed (Hopefully.).  Comes in various flavors as well!  ;D
Si vis pacem, para bellum

#ThisTaserGoesTo11

squee_nabob

  • *
  • Chummer
  • **
  • Posts: 218
« Reply #52 on: <10-19-11/1401:01> »
If you want a weapon to use while on a bike, have you considered mounting a turret and using a vehicle based weapon? It will use the gunnery skill, but is very deadly.

Mäx

  • *
  • Ace Runner
  • ****
  • Posts: 1572
« Reply #53 on: <10-19-11/1657:08> »
I think it's also relevant to say for this topic, that as per Arsenal, firing a two handed weapon(rifle sized or larger) one handed is only a 2 dice penalty for your dicepool(and only -1 for Trolls).
So if you only care about damage i would recommend a sawed-off elephant rifle, sure it only has 2 shots, but the damage code is 9P AP -1 :o
If you need a little more ammo, shotguns are a pretty good option too,.
ArmTech MGL-6/12 grenade launcher is a pretty nasty option too.
The 2 smaller laser weapons are also a pretty nasty if expensive option(both in terms of nuyen and BP/karma, as they require their own skill to use), a reasonable GM might even let you hook them up to the bikes power system, giving you infinite ammo ;D   
« Last Edit: <10-19-11/1713:57> by Mäx »
"An it harm none, do what you will"

The Wyrm Ouroboros

  • *
  • Prime Runner
  • *****
  • Posts: 4471
  • I Have Taken All Shadowrun To Be My Province
« Reply #54 on: <10-19-11/1826:16> »
If you only can get one, probably you'd want Arsenal. And hey, DriveThruRPG is having a sale on the PDF.

The other books only have a handful of weapons.

And the Oscar for Most Shameless Advertising Plug goes to ... ;)
Pananagutan & End/Line

Old As McBean, Twice As Mean
"Oh, gee - it's Go-Frag-Yourself-O'Clock."
New Wyrm!! Now with Twice the Bastard!!

Laés is ... I forget. -PiXeL01
Play the game. Don't try to win it.

KarmaInferno

  • *
  • Ace Runner
  • ****
  • Posts: 2020
  • Armor Stacking Cheese Monkey
« Reply #55 on: <10-19-11/2252:14> »
Eh. If I was really shilling for the site I'd tell folks to buy all the PDFs.

:)



-k

rasmusnicolaj

  • *
  • Omae
  • ***
  • Posts: 733
  • Не бойся смерти
« Reply #56 on: <10-20-11/0132:22> »
He is just integrating the forum with real SR where AR commercials are everywhere  ;)

Rasmus
Deplore killings made in the name of religion. Can't it just be for fun?

Katrex

  • *
  • Chummer
  • **
  • Posts: 248
« Reply #57 on: <10-20-11/0556:22> »
My gunslinger that sits on the back of a bike uses a modified super ruger warhawk with exex . 7 damage - 3 ap is about as good as you can get. I've got it modded to semi auto,  and with nimble fingers and drums reloading is a free action. Two shots with it per pass.

With burst fire you're going to need 5 points of recoil comp, on my ruger i just don't have the mod slots what with it giveing me +2 to intimidation and having chameleon coating.
Upgrading to burst fire costs 4 weapon mod slots, but the best you're going to get is a personalised grip... which means your recoil will be 1/4

Doing the math. Semi auto is more reliable with the warhawk you have higher base damage and ap and its damn classy. When on a bike takign penalties for shooting cus you're on a bike semi auto is the way to go. However when you get off that bike the thunderhawk modified with personalised grip and underbarel weight  loaded with exex is brutal.

Tonatiuh

  • *
  • Chummer
  • **
  • Posts: 126
  • ¡Viva Aztlan!
« Reply #58 on: <10-20-11/1145:02> »
So... I'm just gonna say STOP THE PRESS! Lol...

I'll take what you all have said, ruminate for a few days, and release my final decision.

I've never had a thread that ended up this active... I guess it's easy to get folks hyped up about guns.... And opinions. :P

Thanks everyone!!

Old MacDonald had a farm. Ee-eye-ee-eye-oh. With a torrent here, and a torrent there....
Current campaign WIP.

CanRay

  • *
  • Freelancer
  • Mr. Johnson
  • ***
  • Posts: 11141
  • Spouter of Random Words
« Reply #59 on: <10-20-11/1325:51> »
And we haven't even started in on Clips Vs. Magazines!  ;D
Si vis pacem, para bellum

#ThisTaserGoesTo11