[DireRadiant]

Jack, Killer-B and even Hard Boy have enough (Street) Gangs Knowledge Skill to know that Thrill Kill seeking gangs do not necassarily respond to Intimidation in the way you normally expect.

The approach you are suggesting is reasonable for most normal gangs you would deal with.

[DireRadiant]

Everyone, let me know if you still need something from me to move things along.

On a different topic.

Karma! What are you all expecting? How often, what for, and when, etc etcetera.

[WhackedMaki]

I dunno. I'd say give a set amount for the mission, and then add or subtract based on how you think we did RPing our characters.

As for advancement of story, I'm just waiting on everyone else at this point. If they need me I'm there, but I'm not going to be critical in making plans or doing the talking aspects.

[Ethan]

I prefer the Karma rewards to "trickle in" throughout a mission/run/etc. Say one run gives you 6 karma per person, for example's sake only. There's 2 for doing legwork, 2 for the run itself, and 2 afterwards to deal with stuff,

That way you can apply it during that even or wait to save it all up.

Saint's up for anything. Probably won't help to kill people though.

[bmoham]

Jack, Killer-B and even Hard Boy have enough (Street) Gangs Knowledge Skill to know that Thrill Kill seeking gangs do not necassarily respond to Intimidation in the way you normally expect.

The approach you are suggesting is reasonable for most normal gangs you would deal with.

 I assume you mean the broken bones plan? what about Smith and negotiation or a private discussion with one of them?

Whacked - to the extent we're doing the planning OOC you can contribute even if your character isn't a brilliant tactician.

[DireRadiant]

Yes, the broken bones plan could be counter productive.

[Gaius]

Yes, the broken bones plan could be counter productive.

that was my favourite plan

@dire glad that you think so.

[WhackedMaki]

I myself think the talking plan could work well. It's the best one to start with certainly. If you can get him to say all's good without any bloodshed, then you've won the battle that you didn't even have to fight. If it goes sour though, things can turn ugly with only 3 people, depending on who you bring. If you walk into his house, and find that you're in a 3v15 situation, you're going to want to make sure you can get out fast. Possibly have Jenever park a car outside the place in advance, so they don't get too suspicious about it showing up at the exact time you did, giving you a quick escape. Consider who you want the third to be as well. If none of them are magically able, Saint would look pretty unopposing, but would be able to deal out quite a bit with his magic if things got hairy. Killer-B would be good if you planned on talking, but wanted to look somewhat opposing. HB much the same,but somewhat better if you expected a firefight to break out. Exile would be best at trying to intimidate them into what you wanted them to do, but if things turned sour any survivors would remember him instantly, so it'd be an all or nothing with him. Jenever would probably be best left as recon support instead of going inside
Another thing that would determine who to bring would be if the gang has any prejudices. If they don't like orks, then who we send would be radically different, as three of our team members are orks.
Other then that, giving them even bigger problems, such as starting a war with another gang, would most likely make them forget about their encounter with you. You'd have to be careful not to be linked to it though, or both gangs can turn on you (so my character would be out for this one). If you can find out what kind of business the 405's and the Ancients do (say they sell drugs for their money), dress up like members of the opposing gang, and start selling the product on their turf. Doing it this way gives you the added advantage of being able to do more work in the area without it seeming too suspicious to the cops (a building being blown open and raided wouldn't be that out of place in the middle of a gang war) and without much investigation (just the gangs killing each-other some more).

My two cents on it at least.

[Necrogigas]

Necrogigas, 2Fresh is a street pimp. Does Mr Smith think it reasonable that 2Fresh could get 25,000 nuyen? Consider that 2Fresh and his stable probably have no more than a Low Lifestyle.

Not really, he's just in an irritable mood. It's hella late and Mr. Smith doesn't like 2Fresh. Basically he's just trying to get 2Fresh even more desperate so that he offers the max he can afford off the bat. But if that plan back fires, oh well, Mr. Smith has no vested interest in 2Fresh or his problems.

[DireRadiant]

Not really, he's just in an irritable mood. It's hella late and Mr. Smith doesn't like 2Fresh. Basically he's just trying to get 2Fresh even more desperate so that he offers the max he can afford off the bat. But if that plan back fires, oh well, Mr. Smith has no vested interest in 2Fresh or his problems.

Thanks, I just wanted to check before proceeding along those lines. Don't worry I will make sure you have the opportunity to get something out of those 3 bp.

[sway]

DR - on a similar note, I kind of need to know what exactly Jack pulled up for Benny. Benny is generally honorable when it comes to business, so his investment in helping out Jack is sort of directly in correlation to the information provided. I tried to keep Benny's level of commitment fairly vague in the last post (I basically posted under the assumption that what was provided wasn't totally worthless), but I'm going to have a real posting blind problem going forward from here until I know exactly what Benny was given and thus can adjudge its worth to him and thus also his present sense of "just good business" obligation.

[DireRadiant]

Ok, that was the data about an "Alvarez"?

The nearest conjunction of an Alvarez meeting the given parameters is a Jason Alvarez, Crash Cart nurse who was found dead of an overdose of painkillers a few weeks ago. He is survived by his wife and 4 children. Of interest is the assertion by family and confirmed by other records that Alvarez has no history of drug abuse.

[sway]

Ouch, so absolutely nothing useful.

Is that really everything or is that just a summary? To be clear, Benny gave Jack the name Alvarez and details on him to start digging, but his intent with the digging was to ultimately find indications of who killed the guy. Benny stated he was interested in finding out who it was he'd be running into later (didn't want to go in blind). The job wasn't to just dig up you know... whatever... it was to search for details suggesting the identity of the guy's killer(s). The above doesn't even touch on that really. Honestly, the above kind of reads like information pulled off a public newsfeed.

I actually have a hard time believing that Jack would even hand-over that information, as it would be detrimental to his hacker/shadow community reputation, not to mention his own pride. It be more in his own interest to simply say he didn't have time to look into the matter. I also have an equally hard time validating the response I posted for Benny, because, honestly he would have scuffed at that data and just walked away. I mean, your post suggests Jack failed to perform the requested job. 

[sway]

Whoa, just found out that in light of some damaged caused during the storm last week, apparently I may be without internet service tomorrow (possibly part of Thursday too). If I failed to promptly respond/post over the next two days, this is why.

[Necrogigas]

Karma! What are you all expecting? How often, what for, and when, etc etcetera.

Standard allotment at the end of any job, with a point here or there for being exceptionally funny or extremely daring and succeeding.

How often is edge going to regen?

Ouch, so absolutely nothing useful.

Is that really everything or is that just a summary? To be clear, Benny gave Jack the name Alvarez and details on him to start digging, but his intent with the digging was to ultimately find indications of who killed the guy. Benny stated he was interested in finding out who it was he'd be running into later (didn't want to go in blind). The job wasn't to just dig up you know... whatever... it was to search for details suggesting the identity of the guy's killer(s). The above doesn't even touch on that really. Honestly, the above kind of reads like information pulled off a public newsfeed.

I actually have a hard time believing that Jack would even hand-over that information, as it would be detrimental to his hacker/shadow community reputation, not to mention his own pride. It be more in his own interest to simply say he didn't have time to look into the matter. I also have an equally hard time validating the response I posted for Benny, because, honestly he would have scuffed at that data and just walked away. I mean, your post suggests Jack failed to perform the requested job.

You were expecting Jack to identify the killer with the victim's first name and a few details of his shady business dealings? This isn't CSI: Shadowrun, though I bet Jack could whip up a GUI in Visual Basic. You now have a full name and a family, that's more than enough to start doing some legwork.